PA vs MD

[Bohlieve410]

I love the Hanover/Gettysburg area.

Friendly people, good gun laws, but I would be wary of Philly's grip on the rest of the state.

Also it's a damn Yankee state

 

[Shmudda]

Good luck! Our family has discussed the same thing.

However, keep in mind PA may not be the "grass is greener" destination forever. It's been moving to the left for years now. It's bordered on three sides by anti states. Philly and other growing urban, liberal areas are increasingly deciding how the rest of the state lives. Still better than living in the People's Republic of Maryland but I'm not sure I'd pick it for the long haul.

We keep trying to give Philly to Jersey but they won't even take the place!

Wow......

Shmudda

 

[Vic]

Thanks for all the responses. I would probably go to WVa, where I grew up, but I work at APG and don't want to do a absolutely crazy drive. I have friends here who live in PA and generally like it. It is sad to hear about Lancaster going down hill. I like the county. If I go up there it will probably be somewhere around the Susquehanna river area, either York or Lancaster County. Would like to buy a farm but don't know if I can afford it. Most I have seen are stupid expensive. We'll have to see.

Vic

 

[DarthZed]

Say what you want about MD taxes. It's one of the few states that doesn't receive more Federal Funds than it contributes. (the ratio is about .90)
Every one of those "Conservative" states everyone is so in love with for 2A reasons is a taker. And their ratio is significantly higher than the Blue states everyone b1tches about. (1.40 to 1.25)
At least MD isn't contributing to the deficit. I don't like many aspects of this state either; but lets try and keep things in some sort of perspective. Those other states have their flaws, just like this one. That said, I'm probably moving to VA myself soon.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/is-your-state-a-net-giver-or-taker-of-federal-taxes/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state

(Yes, these are crappy references, but I know this is true from other readings, and didn't feel like searching for more scholarly articles; besides, these have purty charts. )

 

[blackseven]

Say what you want about MD taxes. It's one of the few states that doesn't receive more Federal Funds than it contributes. (the ratio is about .90)
Every one of those "Conservative" states everyone is so in love with for 2A reasons is a taker. And their ratio is significantly higher than the Blue states everyone b1tches about. (1.40 to 1.25)
At least MD isn't contributing to the deficit. I don't like many aspects of this state either; but lets try and keep things in some sort of perspective. Those other states have their flaws, just like this one. That said, I'm probably moving to VA myself soon.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/is-your-state-a-net-giver-or-taker-of-federal-taxes/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state

(Yes, these are crappy references, but I know this is true from other readings, and didn't feel like searching for more scholarly articles; besides, these have purty charts. )

/Rant on/
I'd rather be a federal money taker, then live in a state that collects from everyone to fund the special interest projects that only benefit the suburbs of DC where O'Malley is looking to compete against NOVA for tech business.

The metro Purple Line, the ICC, the Ez Pass lanes down 95 that are on a road to no where at this point. Tolls crossing the Hatem and Tydings bridges. All of those taxes collected through income tax, Gas taxes and tolls will never improve the infrastructure where I live. In fact, the entire state is supporting the DC/Baltimore corridor and seeing a very small local benefit of tax revenue collected. Not only that, but when it comes to legislation the DC/Baltimore corridor is controlling the entire state. Through Tier Maps, SB281, Rain tax...

What should happen is Western Maryland either becomes lower PA or Eastern VA, Everything east of the Susquehanna and south of the Mason Dixon becomes Delaware. Southern Maryland becomes part of VA.

Hardly anyone would have to move. Annapolis could circle jerk itself to it's hearts content and zero shits would be given. Give the people what they want.

/Rant off/

Let's move to PA!

 

[squirrels]

PA just across the line has really exploded lately as a result of a lot of other people being fed up with LIVING in MD but wanting to keep WORKING there just because of difficulty finding new jobs these days. I know Shrewsbury has sprawled pretty heavily. Just outside of there, though, there are still areas that are nice and rural, which is what I'm looking for myself. I want a couple acres...some rolling hills, not some development where I can p!ss out my window and hit my neighbor's house.

I've been wanting to move up that way for a while now, even before SB281. I'm hoping that the exodus isn't too large, because if the area gets overrun and suburbanized, it's only a matter of time before the libs take it over...or rather, run it over.

If I were to hit this Powerball, though...I'd be headed out west. CO seemed nice until they started going over-lib and talking about mag limits, etc. Wyoming or Montana may be a better bet.

If you want to get away from oppressive government, you have to get out of places with major cities. MD is owned by Baltimore, DC, and their associated suburbs. NY state is run by NYC. PA still has enough rural weight to balance Philly and Sh!ttsburgh...it remains to be seen if that will change.

 

[browning guy]

Wife has family there...might happen. (need MD real estate market to come back to life first)

I am 100% in the same boat!

 

[Gundahar]

Here is all you need to know:

For those who think we Pennsylvanians 'talk funny' or use 'big words', here's why ...

Once a Pennsylvanian, ALWAYS a Pennsylvanian!

About Pennsylvanians: You've never referred to Philadelphia as anything but ‘Philly’ and New Jersey has always been ' Jersey.'

Lunch meat –noun. Called "cold cuts" elsewhere.

We don't go to the beach -- we go ‘to the shore.'

You refer to Pennsylvania as 'PA' (pronounced Pee-Ay). How many other states do that??

'You guys' (or even 'youze guys', in some places) is a perfectly acceptable reference to a group of men and women.

You know how to respond to the question ‘Djeetyet?' (Did you eat yet?)

You know that the Iggles play football and so do the Stillers.

You learned to pronounce Bryn Mawr, Wilkes-Barre, Schuylkill, the Poconos, Tamaqua, Kutztown, Kushequa, Tunkhannock, Bala Cynwyd, Kishacoquillas, Duquesne, Monongahela and Conshohocken.

And we know Lancaster is pronounced Lank-ister, not Lang-kaster.

You know what a ‘Mummer’ is, and are disappointed if you can't catch at least highlights of the parade.

At least five people on your block have electric 'candles' in all or most of their windows all year long.

When you’re thirsty you get a drink of water from the Spicket, not Spigot.

You know what a 'State Store' is, and your out-of-state friends find it incredulous that you can’t purchase liquor at the mini-mart.

Words like 'hoagie,' 'crick,' 'chipped ham,' 'dippy eggs', 'sticky buns,' 'shoo-fly pie,' 'lemon sponge pie', 'pierogies' and 'pocketbook' actually mean something to you. (By the way, that last one's PA slang for a purse!)

You not only have heard of Birch Beer, but you know it comes in several colors.

You know the difference between a cheese steak and a pizza steak sandwich, and you know that you also can't get a really good one anywhere outside of the Philly area. (Except maybe in Atlantic City on the boardwalk.)

You know that Blue Ball, Intercourse, Paradise, Climax, Bird-in-Hand, Beaver, Moon, Virginville, Mars, Bethlehem, Hershey, Indiana, Sinking Spring, Jersey Shore, State College, Washington Crossing, Jim Thorpe, King of Prussia, Wind Gap, Slippery Rock, and Kushequa are all PA towns ... and the first three were consecutive stops on the old Reading RR! (PS - That’s pronounced Redd-ing.)

You can identify drivers from New York, New Jersey, Maryland or other neighboring states by their unique and irritating driving habits.

A traffic jam in Lancaster County is 10 cars waiting to pass a horse-drawn carriage on the highway. (And remember....that’s Lank-ister!)

You know several people who have hit deer more than once.

Driving is always better in winter because the potholes are filled with snow.

As a kid you built snow forts and leaf piles that were taller than you were.

You know beer doesn't grow in a garden, but you know where to find a beer garden.

You actually understand all this and send it out to other Pennsylvanians or former Pennsylvanians. It's scary, isn't it!

YEAH! THAT'S GOOD OL' ‘PA’ AND WE LOVE IT!

PA quiz:
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/VC/visitor_info/quiz2/mainquiz.htm

PROUD TO BE FROM PENNSYLVANIA

After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, New York archeologists found traces of copper wire dating back 100 years
and came to the conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network more than 100 years ago.

Not to be outdone by the New Yorkers, in the weeks that followed, a California archaeologist dug to a depth of 20 feet,
and shortly after, a story in the LA Times read: " California archaeologists, finding traces of 200 year old copper wire,
have concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech communications network 100 years earlier than the New Yorkers."

One week later, The Sun-Gazette, a local newspaper in Williamsport, reported the following:
"After digging as deep as 30 feet in Sugar Valley, Vinnie 'The Salami' Manziano, a self-taught archaeologist, reported that he found
absolutely nothing. Vinnie has therefore concluded that 300 years ago, Pennsylvania had already gone wireless."


Just makes me proud..............................


Gundahar

 

[Jimbob2.0]

PA is better and as long as you are outside of Philadelphia the firearms culture is laid back.

Now that said...........they barely hanging on there with 2A rights due to the growing dominance of Philly, the Goldent Triangle (e.g., Lancaster) and growing liberalism in Pittsburgh.

Its better than MD and probably has a lot of freefall to drop to MD political depravity, but its working its way there.

 

[whistlersmother]

Say what you want about MD taxes. It's one of the few states that doesn't receive more Federal Funds than it contributes. (the ratio is about .90)
Every one of those "Conservative" states everyone is so in love with for 2A reasons is a taker. And their ratio is significantly higher than the Blue states everyone b1tches about. (1.40 to 1.25)
At least MD isn't contributing to the deficit. I don't like many aspects of this state either; but lets try and keep things in some sort of perspective. Those other states have their flaws, just like this one. That said, I'm probably moving to VA myself soon.

Well, what you say is true, but for me, look a little deeper. A lot of Marylanders work for the Federal Government. Where do their wages come from? Other peoples' tax and debt spending. So, in essence, Marylanders working for the Feds are directly contributing to the deficit. Yes, they "pay" taxes, but really, they just receive less of other people's taxes.

 

[bratgirllcp]

Hubby grew up in Lancaster I grew up in Hanover PA.
But LUV it here in Grasonville MD Politics/******** is everywhere.

 

[bratgirllcp]

Gundahar cool comments lol
dont forget filling versus stuffing
loved how you spelled out names for pronunciation
like Utz---- oooots and utsss

 

[HTArms]

A little late to the discussion, but here is my 2 cents:

We lived right next to Philly when my kids hit schools age some 17 years ago and decided look elsewhere to live. Right about the time a job opportunity opened up for me in MD and we started looking for housing options in MD and South-Central PA. We opted for Franklin County, PA (Waynesboro and Blue Ridge Summit area) for the following reasons -

+ Property prices are much less expensive
+ Much lower tax rate
+ Much friendlier gun laws
+ Great access to ranges/clubs
+ Family obligations in the state

For us the only drawbacks were slightly poorer ranked public schools (we ended up sending our kids to private school until 8th grade) and the longer commute.

In the long run we are so much happier here in PA than we would have been in MD, especially when relating to shooting and firearms (a big part of our family's recreational time). We would not choose to live near Philly, Pittsburgh, Lancaster, Allentown, or in Harrisburg, but the rest of the sate is pretty nice.

More importantly, we want you to come to PA so you add another vote to the state's pro-firearm camp :-)

 

[Mike4Maryland]

Try a New Source for Homes

The fella and I have been looking at PA off and on for about a year -- not just because of MD's politics, but because he's getting ready to retire, I'm commuting from Annapolis to Owings Mills 4-5 times a week, and a lot of things are nicer and cheaper in PA. You do have to be *very* careful about where you buy because the school tax can vary so much, but the income tax rates are lower and they don't tax retirement income at all. Gas tax *was* higher in PA, but not after MDs new taxes come into effect. Sales tax is the same.

Because of where I work, we were looking in York and Adams more than Lancaster. But I have friends who live in Lancaster and while it may be worse there than it used to be, it doesn't sound like it's anything like as bad as most of the MD counties that are considered fairly normal, like Charles, Anne Arundel, or Calvert.

Do a little research at http://www.zillow.com. They have a lot of useful info there. It is also a good idea to research crime stats in your areas of interest. Census records help too.

 

[54rndball]

Say what you want about MD taxes. It's one of the few states that doesn't receive more Federal Funds than it contributes. (the ratio is about .90)
Every one of those "Conservative" states everyone is so in love with for 2A reasons is a taker. And their ratio is significantly higher than the Blue states everyone b1tches about. (1.40 to 1.25)
At least MD isn't contributing to the deficit. I don't like many aspects of this state either; but lets try and keep things in some sort of perspective. Those other states have their flaws, just like this one. That said, I'm probably moving to VA myself soon.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/is-your-state-a-net-giver-or-taker-of-federal-taxes/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state

(Yes, these are crappy references, but I know this is true from other readings, and didn't feel like searching for more scholarly articles; besides, these have purty charts. )

Maryland has been sucking off the tit of the federal government for so long they think they are better than the states where people actually have to work for a living! Tell that to all the lawyers, lobbyists, and everyone else who commutes to DC to get that easy money! Talk about takers!

 

[54rndball]

My wife and I are talking about selling our house. Was planning to move to Fallston or parts north of there. Since MD is going down the crapper fast I wanted to know what you all think of PA. I like Lancaster County but have had a friend say that the Illegals have taken over a lot of that county. Just wanted some opinions.

I read on another thread that PA was a state to avoid along with MD. Most I have talked to say PA is much better with regard to firearms and such. Please let me know. Don't want to jump out of the frying pan into the fire. Only real painful thing I have heard about is the school tax.

Vic

Just stay as far away from Philly as you can. Is Bedford County far enough away? I hear there is good grouse hunting in NE PA. My in-laws are in with the Obama gun grabbers and are Philadelphia lawyers! Hard to believe my wife is related to such a crew of lame *****! But anyway, Philly is just as bad as Baltimore and several times bigger. Stay away from there!

 

[Benanov]

Central PA

For those of you who want good schools, I recommend State College. I miss State College sometimes, but I can't imagine my wife wants to even visit very often. She'll probably want to settle in Philly if we move north.

The only issue is you're basically in the shadow of the university. You get used to it...

As of note, PA Alcohol laws are completely FUBAR - it was a huge deal when the state-owned stores opened on Sundays. The selection and availability is better in MD...and that's not saying much

The 6% sales tax is stable - it's been that way since at least the 80's. MD bumped theirs from 5% recently.

Winters are a bit harsher, but the living is cheaper, ESPECIALLY car insurance. Mine bumped $100/6mo just moving down here and I don't have a really fancy policy.

 

[Keystone70]

My two words.
Go PENS!

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[sxs]

We keep trying to give Philly to Jersey but they won't even take the place!

Wow......

Shmudda

Some of us born and raised in Maryland keep wanting to give Montgomery and PG counties to DC. That would solve 85-95% of our political problems

 

[fd0816]

I work in Howard so I gotta stay as close as possible but I wanna get outta this state..