All this is worth it...

[Bob A]

Can always remind them that Gun Control was how Stalin,Castro,Mao,Pol Pot and Hitler got started.

I think it's not as bad as you think it is.

Take a look at the Handgunlaw US progressive map graphic when you start feeling anxious. There's a LOT of support for 2A in this country; sadly, MD, NY, NJ, CA and MA think they're in charge.

Urban/rural divide, to a large degree, but there are other mitigating factors. The Colorado recalls are sending a message to the country as a whole. Maybe the general population is unaware of the significance, but you can bet that the politicians have taken note.

 

[JettaRed]

Let's not forget Connecticut where mere possession (no grandfathering) of certain items is a felony.


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[occbrian]

Fighting against men who try to take Rights given by God is always worth it.

I have a Right to defend myself
I have a Right to defend my family
I have a Right to ensure my Country remains free

Come take them

It's been 4 hours since I read this post and it still has be 'excited.' I think I may be suffering from priapism.

 

[GUNSnROTORS]

If one life is saved, they should want cars, planes, drinking, cigarettes, prescription drugs, pools, ladders, knives, etc. etc. etc. isn't getting rid of all of this worth saving 1 life....

Great point! Moreover, it's a ridiculous, childish argument: A child will drown in a bathtub today (with supervision), someone will die on a bicycle today (wearing a helmet), dozens will die in motor vehicle accidents today (wearing seatbelts). Even with precautions, risk mitigation, and government-imposed safety regulations, people will die doing ... everything. Even mundane things. And according to the stats available, nearly every activity that can result in death is more deadly than firearms. Could go on and on, John R. Lott's exhaustive studies, etc. But the numbers speak for themselves.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf
(page 40, Table 10 in the pdf)

We must never sacrifice liberty for safety. I know, I know .... I have 'Ol Ben in my signature ...

 

[Publius]

...if one life is saved!

I started thinking about that argument for gun control. It sounds noble. People can relate to it and feel good about themselves. But, it’s a false argument!

If those who say that really believe it to be true, then they believe any reason to save a life is worth trampling the Constitution. And if that is true, then why the hell do we send American citizens to foreign lands to die to uphold the oath they took defend the Constitution? Why does every federal employee take the same oath if saving one life is worth breaking that oath?

The next time you hear that argument, be sure to ask those questions!

I prefer to explain that that is a totally false premise. Disarmed good people become the pray of criminals, or the pray of people in power who end up abusing the absolute power they have over people's lives. Brazil for example has one tenth the number of guns per capita we have, but its intentional homicide rate is like 7-10 times higher than ours. Switzerland on the other hand has a rifle or handgun in the home of every male adult, yet its intentional homicide rate is less than 1 per 100,000 people per year. The UK, that libs love to use as an example, has a much higher overall violent crime rate (theft + rape + aggravated assault + intentional homicide) than the U.S. rate. And during WWII, when they were afraid as hell the Germans would invade them, American civilians donated guns to help arm the British population! But I digress. The point is, it's a falacy that disarmament "saves lives". As Beccaria wrote in the 18th century, disarmament only disarms the victims, people who have no intention of violating any laws. Those willing to break the highest laws--willing to rape, kill, kidnap, rob with a lethal weapon--could not care less about lesser laws like gun control laws. Thus gun control laws promote, rather than prevent, violence. They don't save lives.

 

[K.C.Dean]

You can't convince someone that has been brainwashed that gun control is not about saving a lives. This is an agenda and false reasoning that the progressive liberals are using to remove the 2A from the constitution.

 

[BigToe]

The Liberal mentality is "we cannot think or act for ourselves, therefore the government should do it for us". It is a philosophy based in self doubt. Not only with firearms, but with raising their children, controlling their diet, etc. They are a mediocre lot that cannot strive for greatness, so want to rid the world of competition. They cannot contribute, so want to penalize those who do.

They are a helpless lot. They are destroying America...not only with their nanny state laws, but with their philosophy that is creating generations of losers who will continue to erode our society.

Oh, sorry...what was the question?

 

[pozzo]

Oh, sorry...what was the question?

I suspect that's not the first time you've given that as an answer. It works for a lot of questions.

 

[Anotherpyr]

...if one life is saved!

The question I respond with is, "At a cost of how many lives?" Should we let 10 die to save 1? And what qualifies you to play god and decide who should live and die?

All of their arguments are fallacies and they should be directed to the Wikipedia page on Fallacy since their logic is flawed.

 

[marte616]

Nobody is going national.

Costitutional Convention.

Plus liberals dont join the military. The game ends when conservatives just stop. That's right stop. They know it. They just hope we never realise the power of not doing a GD thing...

Disagree. Go to any base exchange parking lot, and you will see a sea Obama, Clinton, Kerry bumper stickers. Remember, the military draws from, and is a reflection of, society as a whole. As a matter of fact, the military appeals to urban minorities (the cradle of liberalism) with few choices ( educational or career), so they joint then military in droves, not so much to serve our country, but for the job security and benefits it provides. I met my share of die hard liberals during my 20 years in the Navy, and the younger they are, the more vocal for liberal causes they are as well.

 

[marte616]

The Liberal mentality is "we cannot think or act for ourselves, therefore the government should do it for us". It is a philosophy based in self doubt. Not only with firearms, but with raising their children, controlling their diet, etc. They are a mediocre lot that cannot strive for greatness, so want to rid the world of competition. They cannot contribute, so want to penalize those who do.

They are a helpless lot. They are destroying America...not only with their nanny state laws, but with their philosophy that is creating generations of losers who will continue to erode our society.

Oh, sorry...what was the question?

Read this story. It defines this thread and outlines the hypocrisy of the Left:

http://www.redstate.com/2013/09/20/soft-bigotry-of-low-expectations-assault-rifle-edition/

It has never been about saving lives; it is about CONTROL!

The soft bigotry of lowered expectations, and the emasculation of the American male is what the Left has been pursuing for over a Century in America.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

Nobody is going national.

Costitutional Convention.

Plus liberals dont join the military. The game ends when conservatives just stop. That's right stop. They know it. They just hope we never realise the power of not doing a GD thing...

Want yo give a liberal a heart attack. Point out where his food comes from, and who drives the trucks that bring it to him.

Constitutional Convention. And 10 k in lawyers mall as a down payment.

While I agree with you that a national gun grab is not going to happen in the near future, I must disagree with your point on Liberals not joining the Military. They are Liberals in waiting.

The army is chock-full of young, impressionable demographics that absolutely votes for Liberals that look like their demographic. They are too young to have formed stances, opinions, and ideals. They will simply vote the way their demographic parents voted for fear of being outcast by the rest of the demographic.

As for Liberals knowing where their food and gas comes from. Everyone knows there's a meat and fuel fairy that comes at night and sprinkles meat on the shelves and fuel in their tanks.

Also, we must not forget about the rubber fairy that comes after he/she destroys the rain forest and sprinkles black, vulcanized, circles of death on the truck's wheels.

When's that 10k mall thing happening anyway?

 

[dblas]

So, when someone leads with "if it saves one life" then, we, as the 2A community need to reply and own the phrase "Common sense gun laws."

Start using the phrase, "we are for common sense gun laws to protect the public from criminal violence," and watch the heads of liberals explode when they can't come up with a suitable response.

Let me say it again for the cheap seats (Sorry in advance for yelling):

THE 2A COMMUNITY NEEDS TO OWN THE PHRASE "COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS."

BTW, this was not originally my idea, it belongs to another MDS member who brought it up in a discussion.

 

[KingGeorge]

I'm still waiting for them to stop shootings in Chicago. Some tough gun laws out there and the thugs are still locked and loaded probably more than law abiding citizens. I wonder why dems never want to acknowledge Chicago.....

 

[KingGeorge]

Nobody is going national.

Costitutional Convention.

Plus liberals dont join the military. The game ends when conservatives just stop. That's right stop. They know it. They just hope we never realise the power of not doing a GD thing...

Want yo give a liberal a heart attack. Point out where his food comes from, and who drives the trucks that bring it to him.

Constitutional Convention. And 10 k in lawyers mall as a down payment.

Your way off on liberals or democrats not joining the military. I know quite a few who are marines and navy seal and a couple air force. So your being rediculous saying that bro.

 

[MDFF2008]

Turn the pardime on itself. "

"If concealed carry can save just one life"

 

[iH8DemLibz]

OR

"If I carry, the life I save may be your child's".

 

[Benanov]

Don't be a tease! Why don't school buses have seat belts? (Could it be the cost?)

Some do. It's that they're never used, cost too much, and kids hit each other with them.

Not talking about the driver's belt here.

 

[Brooklyn]

Disagree. Go to any base exchange parking lot, and you will see a sea Obama, Clinton, Kerry bumper stickers. Remember, the military draws from, and is a reflection of, society as a whole. As a matter of fact, the military appeals to urban minorities (the cradle of liberalism) with few choices ( educational or career), so they joint then military in droves, not so much to serve our country, but for the job security and benefits it provides. I met my share of die hard liberals during my 20 years in the Navy, and the younger they are, the more vocal for liberal causes they are as well.

Not to worry. Its the vets I worry about. I too work for thus administration. when vets come back as liberals I will worry. File clerks in uniform not so much..

Lots of big o stickers where I work too. Rember---- when you work for the fed. The pres is your CEO. In the service he is Commander in chief". Nothing will change that.

As they noted in Saving Private Ryan "We salute the Office not the man..". How this plays out us far from clear..

 

[Brooklyn]

Your way off on liberals or democrats not joining the military. I know quite a few who are marines and navy seal and a couple air force. So your being rediculous saying that bro.

OK. Define quite a few. Now tell me they will dishonor their oath..

And Democrat does not equal liberal. And even then liberal does not equal statist. But let's see how it plays out.

If you really think these folks will follow unlawful orders then maybe we have a problem.. young people are always liberal. Then they find out what the world is like. I was a liberal as well right after fireman and before astronaut ... then I studied history -- they will as well.

As for your friend in the teams-- I believe he will not dishonor his oath... That s all that really matters.


If you think otherwise... that is an issue...