MSP: TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS LEAD TO RECOVERY OF THREE GUNS ON I-81

[Inigoes]

This is the part I don't understand: He's not a resident of MD and his rifle is legal in his state.

Yes.

However, he was caught in MD post sb281, where maryland law applies.

 

[tcc722]

I'm not sure how much I buy into the no hands on the wheel. It is hard to drive a considerable distance with no hands. I would bet the guy had a cell in one hand, and his other hand was on the wheel at 5 or 7 o'clock, and the cop couldn't see it. Doesn't really matter anyway. I just have a hard time believing cops most of the time. Ever get pulled over late at night for "swerving"? Fish enough times and they are going to hook something eventually.

 

[tdt91]

just wait till you try and explain your ar with no serial number that you built from an 80 percent receiver to the msp after they "recover" it.

I saw one of those last weekend.

 

[Brooklyn]

If we get one more Dr to agree, can we have him committed?

I am already committed that's why I am insane.

we still need to meet so you can mess with me in person. .

 

[Straightshooter]

We have met. I got called away to twist the arm of Costa when he attempted to roll over on a promised vote.

 

[gabe72]

I also have a hard time on the no hands on the wheel,many of the msed trucks here are two wheel drive and don't sit up higher than other vehicles,and what is the difference of talking hands-free and being distracted,listening to the radio,watching the DVD screen of the minivan in front of you or daydreaming and being distracted ?

 

[gabe72]

Still gonna be interesting to see how they treet hbar ars or 80% with no serial number in the wild

 

[Mr H]

I also have a hard time on the no hands on the wheel,many of the msed trucks here are two wheel drive and don't sit up higher than other vehicles,and what is the difference of talking hands-free and being distracted,listening to the radio,watching the DVD screen of the minivan in front of you or daydreaming and being distracted ?

Oh, for that, MD would revive the Death Penalty...

 

[Brooklyn]

We have met. I got called away to twist the arm of Costa when he attempted to roll over on a promised vote.

Oh... well then we need to meet again... I know not if you see me first.

 

[teratos]

I'd like you to eventually answer my question but I'll answer yours in the mean time - More nanny state oppression(see below).


Just to reiterate, I am all for doing something about distracted driving from cell phone use. But using it as a pretext for fishing expeditions as well as raising revenue all the while making roads less safe is only able to be justified by the type of government we have nowadays.

We actually agree. I don't think any traffic stop should be used as a fishing expedition. In this case, however, the fish jumped into the boat when the officer saw the gun in the glovebox. This was stupid.

I'm sorry I didn't answer your question. Just to save another fishing expedition, can you sum it up quickly?

 

[tdt91]

Wait until they kill someone. Good thinking.

That is as sad as it is irrational. I have no problem with personal liberty. What about the right to life of the person they will kill? Someone's wife, husband, son, daughter senselessly killed because Brooklyn thinks it infringes on personal liberty to call DWI a crime unless someone is killed or injured.

I think his whole point was that when the drunk driving law was inforced and worked They needed to lower the limit to .08 because the number of arrests, interactions, convictions, etc dropped. About money? unlikely. About power? possibly!.

I am not entering this thread with my opinion, just hopefully someone that understands what he's trying to say.
So it leads to the question of would the law makers make laws purposely to have more control over the public or in order to more protect the public? What have the law makers in MD been doing?

 

[FIREHAWK]

If you read the news release: "Shortly after 2:00 p.m. yesterday, a trooper and his cadet who are assigned to the Maryland State Police Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Division were patrolling on I-81 near Halfway Blvd."

MSP CVED all drive either a Suburban or a Pick-up with equipment boxes, so they sit higher and can pretty much see "down" into cars.

I'm not sure how much I buy into the no hands on the wheel. It is hard to drive a considerable distance with no hands. I would bet the guy had a cell in one hand, and his other hand was on the wheel at 5 or 7 o'clock, and the cop couldn't see it. Doesn't really matter anyway. I just have a hard time believing cops most of the time. Ever get pulled over late at night for "swerving"? Fish enough times and they are going to hook something eventually.

just sayin, countless times I've seen someone driving with one hand holding the phone and the other hand "hand talking". same with girls putting makeup on in the visor or rear view mirror while driving.

 

[tdt91]

Agreed. I'll be very interested to see what made possession illegal.

My guess is the same that any of us would deal with. We always say it's illegal to carry a gun around in the car unless you are going to some place legit to use it or whatever. If he did not give a legit reason then he's busted for it. I would be no different for the rest of us.

 

[swinokur]

The transport law in MD refers to handguns. There is no specific list of permitted activities for long guns I'm aware of.

 

[tdt91]

So in MD we can throw a long gun, any long gun (even pre 10-1 regulated ) in the trunk just for GP?

 

[bbarrows32]

PA residents often forget how good they have it up there!

(can't believe I moved to Maryland)

 

[swinokur]

So in MD we can throw a long gun, any long gun (even pre 10-1 regulated ) in the trunk just for GP?

As long as it's not loaded.

 

[Straightshooter]

Oh... well then we need to meet again... I know not if you see me first.

Maybe I'll wear a lab coat and carry a straight jacket so I'll be easier to spot.

 

[teratos]

I am already committed that's why I am insane.

It's true.

I think his whole point was that when the drunk driving law was inforced and worked They needed to lower the limit to .08 because the number of arrests, interactions, convictions, etc dropped. About money? unlikely. About power? possibly!.

I am not entering this thread with my opinion, just hopefully someone that understands what he's trying to say.
So it leads to the question of would the law makers make laws purposely to have more control over the public or in order to more protect the public? What have the law makers in MD been doing?

I'm an evidence guy. I don't believe in setting arbitrary limits on things. There should be no quotas in law enforcement. If numbers go down, that should be a good thing. Laws should be passed based on facts. More importantly, they should be Constitutional.

 

[Mr Bear]

Then the charge should be reckless driving. And if they can make the case on the elements I have no issue. I am skeptical that that is exactly what happened. The net effect of the cell phone law is to create a non rebutanble presumption that cell phone use is reckless. The actual accident numbers do not bear that out.

Reckless driving is not a new charge and its not a new problem.. why is new law needed... my answer is part political and part pragmatic.. it weakens the standard of proof that the state need s to make. I expect that the evidence may support such a charge.

But I may very well not... make a charge of reckless and prove it.

I expect that by the time this gets to court the story will be even more grandiose...

But I do not know.. maybe we will have a solid offer of proof.. that's rare in tragic court.

There have been times when the gov't has had to step in & protect us from ourselves. For example, prior to the mandatory installation & use of seatbelts, & the installation of airbags & other safety features, there used to be 50k-60,000 automobile deaths a yr. However the number has almost been cut in half, but 12-15k deaths are still alcohol related.

So, our guy is talking on the cell phone, no seatbelt, no hands on the wheel. I call that pretty reckless behavior. Had he been in compliance with the law, there wouldn't have been a stop. With no stop there would've been no need to go into the glove compartment, etc. I disagree this was a pretext to search the car. Had his pistols been in the trunk & not in the passenger compartment, accessible to him, then I doubt we'd be having this discussion

Studies have shown that talking on a cellphone is equivalent to driving under the influence, with texting being even worse. Every time I drive puts me on the road with a bunch of distracted drivers. Virtually every time I'm in a parking lot, on my bicycle, or motorcycle, some knucklehead on a phone puts my life in danger.

Here's a pic of my very personal encounter with a distracted driver. A little luck, my seatbelt, & some defensive driver training helped me walk away from this with a cut over my ear & some bumps/bruises. The distracted driver didn't even slowdown or stop. I had to be cut out of the car.

http://www.mdshooters.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=107031&stc=1&d=1389478195