Purchasing an AR15 (in Maryland)

[Alutacon]

Atlantic, MSAR, and Engage carry Sig's. Just give them a call and here it with your own ears.

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I wouldn't buy a dime if it only cost a nickel at MSAR. They were the absolute worse during the rush prior to 10/1

 

[Alutacon]

does anyone know how the Annapolis/Timonium Gun Shows are. Is it cheaper than buying from local gun shops? They should have HBAR ARs...right?

I went to the Annapolis show once. Didn't like it. Not much of a selection unless you are into the relics, which I am not. that was maybe 3 years ago. it may be different now.

 

[mudskipper]

New member , very first post talks about workarounds of Md law , and proposes TWO different illegal schemes ?

Be careful criticizing newbies for asking loaded and/or dumbassed questions. Some of them get butthurt REAL easy when called out on it, and then you get a PM notifying you you've been issued an infraction.


Seriously.

 

[whitelightning777]

And HBAR is an AR-15, just with a heavy barrel which in the mind of a liberal makes it a sniper target rifle and NOT an assault rifle. In fact, the heavy barrel will shoot the same round at a higher velocity and with greater accuracy then a standard government profile barrel.

Yes, that's right. The less dangerous less accurate typical AR-15 is banned while the bigger stronger and more accurate HBAR is same day cash and carry to any 18 year old. The AR-10, which typically fires the 308 or 260 Remington is also same day cash and carry.

New maryland gun control slogan: Go Big or Go Home!! (but only with a 10 round magazine, thousands of them if you like)

Another just as good alternative is the VZ-58 or the VZ-2008. You can get either 223 AR-15 caliber or the more powerful 7.62x39 AK-47 caliber.

It's really just all about appearance or some twisted idea of artistic merit.

AK assault rifles in any format are banned. One wonders if target rifles like PSL or M76 falls under that category since the parts don't interchange with other AKs.

 

[Pinecone]

You need to look at the history of the HBAR exemption.

When the original Federal ban came out, they wanted to ban scary looking firearms. But they wanted to play to the "sportsmen" that they were not after their firearms. Only the scary ones that "had no valid sporting purpose."

It was pointed out that Highpower Match shooting was a valid sporting purpose, and that the HBAR was a rifle specifically designed and produced for this match shooting.

So the antis had a choice, exempt the HBAR or have their lie exposed.

So the HBAR got exempted.

The HBAR will not shoot the same round at higher velocity than the pencil barrel, unless you compare a 20" HBAR with a 16" pencil. But same length, same velocity.

The funniest thing about Federal ban is it took the flash hiders off the HBARs. And the match shooters found that the rifles were MORE accurate without the flash hider. So much so, the military rifle teams got permission to remove their flash hiders

 

[Rickman]

Myongha welcome to the community. Have you registered to vote? Are you an NRA member? Are you a MSI / Local member?

Are you an informed voter? Welcome to the community, I am guessing since you are asking some of these questions you may not be familiar with SB281 now the FSA 2013?

Don't forget SAF. Please, please vote. If you have a good, solid pro 2A delegate/senator then vote to get them back in, if a typical MD Dem or lightweight Dem wanna be Rep, the register DINO and vote for the challenger.

 

[silver78]

And HBAR is an AR-15, just with a heavy barrel which in the mind of a liberal makes it a sniper target rifle and NOT an assault rifle. In fact, the heavy barrel will shoot the same round at a higher velocity and with greater accuracy then a standard government profile barrel.

Yes, that's right. The less dangerous less accurate typical AR-15 is banned while the bigger stronger and more accurate HBAR is same day cash and carry to any 18 year old. The AR-10, which typically fires the 308 or 260 Remington is also same day cash and carry.

Well not to give the liberal gun grabbers any credit but perhaps they think a regular AR is more concealable so like a handgun needs more regulation. A 20 inch barreled fixed stock HBAR is harder to conceal than an M4 carbine.

And yes I think Pinecone is correct on the history of the HBAR exemption.

 

[RoboRay]

perhaps they think a regular AR is more concealable so like a handgun needs more regulation. A 20 inch barreled fixed stock HBAR is harder to conceal than an M4 carbine.

I'll be careful not to show them my wife's 16 inch barreled collapsible stock HBAR.

 

[redeemed.man]

New member , very first post talks about workarounds of Md law , and proposes TWO different illegal schemes ?

Yeah that is a little concerning. I was thinking MSP plant then I thought hmmm yeah maybe MSP plant

Just kidding OP, at least I hope that I am just kidding.

 

[redeemed.man]

I wouldn't buy a dime if it only cost a nickel at MSAR. They were the absolute worse during the rush prior to 10/1

I agree but I have been shooting there for years and have become friendly with some staff so it is hard to not frequent the place. Tony at MSAR is a great guy he held a Glock 30S for me before it was on the roster and called me the very day it became legal for sale in MD. I rushed down there and paid for it in full and then they wouldn't release it on the 8th day. I had it transferred to Constitutional Firearms (8 day release) and they have had my business for buying new guns ever since. I still shoot at MSAR when Groupon doesn't ruin it for me by filling the lobby with amateurs. I guess I should appreciate that Groupon is going to get some newbies interested in shooting though.

 

[ChrisR/T]

Yeah that is a little concerning. I was thinking MSP plant then I thought hmmm yeah maybe MSP plant

Just kidding OP, at least I hope that I am just kidding.

Kind of strange:

Ever since I mentioned the OP might be a plant...they haven't logged back in.

Weird.

 

[6-Pack]

I'm still waiting for Sykesville PD's intro post....

 

[fabsroman]

I feel bad for the OP. Nothing like being hammered as a "plant" if you are a noob to guns and trying to figure out what is legal in Maryland. Heck, I've been shooting and hunting for 37 years now and learn something new every once in a while from this forum.

The best advice you can give these guys isn't whether this rifle or that rifle is legal, or possible work arounds. I think the best advice you can give them is that the Colt Sporter HBAR AR-15 is legal and that they should establish a relationship with an FFL. I think a relationship with an FFL is one of the most important things in trying to determine what is and is not legal, or a relationship with an attorney that knows the gun laws (lol). If an FFL is not willing to transfer something, no sense talking about it on here.

I will say that until last year, I never even knew what an HBAR was because it didn't matter to me. I just bought lowers as regulated and then did whatever the heck I wanted to them. Cannot imagine a noob with very little experience trying to work through all this.

No problem though guys. We have so much support and so many members in this forum, that they would NEVER think about banning assault weapons in this state, or magazine capacity limits, or require licenses for handguns.
Yep, continue on at this rate of alienating the noobs and as the older gun enthusiast die off or move we are screwed.

 

[ChrisR/T]

I feel bad for the OP. Nothing like being hammered as a "plant" if you are a noob to guns and trying to figure out what is legal in Maryland. Heck, I've been shooting and hunting for 37 years now and learn something new every once in a while from this forum.

The best advice you can give these guys isn't whether this rifle or that rifle is legal, or possible work arounds. I think the best advice you can give them is that the Colt Sporter HBAR AR-15 is legal and that they should establish a relationship with an FFL. I think a relationship with an FFL is one of the most important things in trying to determine what is and is not legal, or a relationship with an attorney that knows the gun laws (lol). If an FFL is not willing to transfer something, no sense talking about it on here.

I will say that until last year, I never even knew what an HBAR was because it didn't matter to me. I just bought lowers as regulated and then did whatever the heck I wanted to them. Cannot imagine a noob with very little experience trying to work through all this.

No problem though guys. We have so much support and so many members in this forum, that they would NEVER think about banning assault weapons in this state, or magazine capacity limits, or require licenses for handguns.
Yep, continue on at this rate of alienating the noobs and as the older gun enthusiast die off or move we are screwed.

While I agree with you on some things, this particular poster deserved what they got.

Don't come here asking about work around or how to do illegal things in a legal firearm community and not expect to get called on it.

Besides that, there is a search button on the upper right of the screen. A simple typing of SB281 or AR or SB281 AR or SB281 HBAR would have netted them a few results and probably answered their question instead of making them look as though they're actively either (A) trying to break the law or (B) gathering ways to present legislation to further erode rights.

But that's ok. Keep believing every noob that signs up and posts a weird question is just a noob trying to get into firearms. Especially ones that post a question like this OP did, and then never logging back in. Yeah. Just a noob trying to learn.:rolleyes


*EDIT* Lest you think "myongha" just came here, they went to various other websites (ARFCOM) asking the same exact question:

http://www.ak47.net/forums/t_8_29/548611_Purchasing_an_AR15__in_Maryland_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_29/548611_Purchasing_an_AR15__in_Maryland_.html

So yeah...this guy is just a noob.

 

[fabsroman]

While I agree with you on some things, this particular poster deserved what they got.

Don't come here asking about work around or how to do illegal things in a legal firearm community and not expect to get called on it.

Besides that, there is a search button on the upper right of the screen. A simple typing of SB281 or AR or SB281 AR or SB281 HBAR would have netted them a few results and probably answered their question instead of making them look as though they're actively either (A) trying to break the law or (B) gathering ways to present legislation to further erode rights.

But that's ok. Keep believing every noob that signs up and posts a weird question is just a noob trying to get into firearms. Especially ones that post a question like this OP did, and then never logging back in. Yeah. Just a noob trying to learn.:rolleyes


*EDIT* Lest you think "myongha" just came here, they went to various other websites (ARFCOM) asking the same exact question:

http://www.ak47.net/forums/t_8_29/548611_Purchasing_an_AR15__in_Maryland_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_29/548611_Purchasing_an_AR15__in_Maryland_.html

So yeah...this guy is just a noob.

While he used the word "work around", about the only thing he is asking about is the Colt HBAR, which I am pretty sure the legislature is aware of. AT one point last session, the AR-15 was going to be removed from the list. Then, it was added back to the list with the very same exemption.

I am also pretty confident that the anti-gun crowd in Maryland could easily hire a gun expert to tell them what changes should be made to the list.

Would it have been better for the noob to come on here and ask "Can I still get an AR-15."

How about the advice that Sig makes a MD compliant model, which doesn't even look to be Maryland compliant in the first place. If this forum wants to be a legal, HELPFUL, forum, then it would provide the correct advice to noobs, trolls, moles, or whatever you want to call them such that they get the proper information from the forum and if they actually happen to have an interest in shooting they continue to contribute to the cause in Maryland. Even if the person is a troll or mole, does it matter so long as we give them the correct advice pursuant to the law?

I only read the first page and did not see where the guy was actually forcing the issue on how to get a banned weapon. He was just trying to figure out if what he wanted was in fact banned in Maryland.

 

[ChrisR/T]

I only read the first page and did not see where the guy was actually forcing the issue on how to get a banned weapon. He was just trying to figure out if what he wanted was in fact banned in Maryland.

Then maybe reading isn't your strong suit.

In the very first post he asked/infered to making straw purchases.

 

[fabsroman]

Then maybe reading isn't your strong suit.

In the very first post he asked/infered to making straw purchases.

Hello everybody. New to the community. Joined to see if anyone could help me with a few questions I have. So I live in the great "gun loving" state of Maryland...I want to get a Sig Sauer M400 Swat (AR-15). Even though
the government supposedly banned AR-15, I heard there was a workaround (something about an HBAR)...could someone explain that to me. If I don't buy in Maryland, could I buy it at a gun show in Virginia/Pennsylvania and bring it back? Or could I get a buddy living in another state to buy it for me then have it transferred? Sorry if this is a bad set of questions. Thanks everybody.

Ah, when I read transferred, I figure it is through an FFL. Silly me to assume that the OP wanted to do the transfer under the radar. I tend to assume that most people are on the up and up and honest. Now, if he had used "give" instead of "transferred", then maybe I might have looked at it slightly differently. A lot of people have no clue what gun laws are. I'd be surprised that a noob to guns would even understand what a straw purchase is if they are not a prohibited person. Furthermore, a straw purchase is only if he is prohibited. Acquiring a banned item is NOT a straw purchase, it is just the breaking of another law.

The guy was making the effort to see if he could get a M400 from an FFL legally, so I doubt he was trying to pull a fast one. Even if he was a troll, it would have been better to just explain the law to him and what he can and cannot do. You don't know him and I don't know him, but assuming he is a troll is rather harsh.

 

[BIGCHRISS197]

I was gonna make a new thread, but this seems a fitting place to ask my questions. Im as new as they come to rifles. I missed the chance to snag a standard ar-15 by the ban date due to money restrictions. Well its tax time and id like to treat myself to whats still available, an hbar ar15. Personally id prefer a collapsible stock and 16" barrel, is it possible to purchase one already set to those standards or will I have to buy one with a solid stock and 20" barrel and change out the parts? Also all the hbar rifles ive searched have the carry handle on the upper as it seems a solid piece, is there a certain model that does not have the carry handle and instead a rail? Please dont flame me for my lack of knowledge on the subject lol

 

[Sc0tt556]

Colt and Wintham both make HBAR models in the M4 configuration. Both of their model the carry handles are removable. Also they are equipped with a collapsible stock.

If you are in central MD, the 2a sales and the Gunrack has either both or one of them in stock.

 

[Pinecone]

I was gonna make a new thread, but this seems a fitting place to ask my questions. Im as new as they come to rifles. I missed the chance to snag a standard ar-15 by the ban date due to money restrictions. Well its tax time and id like to treat myself to whats still available, an hbar ar15. Personally id prefer a collapsible stock and 16" barrel, is it possible to purchase one already set to those standards or will I have to buy one with a solid stock and 20" barrel and change out the parts? Also all the hbar rifles ive searched have the carry handle on the upper as it seems a solid piece, is there a certain model that does not have the carry handle and instead a rail? Please dont flame me for my lack of knowledge on the subject lol

Colt makes one. Lou at Shooter's Discount (an Industry Partner here on MDS) has some in stock. Give him a call, drive there tomorrow, take it home.