Money does not vote people do

[bpSchoch]

Getting people to the polls is the problem, especially for this DINO operation.

BTW, also talking to many of my lib friends, they are very unhappy about illegal immigration so that maybe also a way to get the incumbents out. I think this may also have been how Brat won.

 

[Venge]

I vote the people are the problem, but let me explain that a little further:

Urban population centers dominate Maryland's vote. I hate the city, but obviously a ton of people love it, and the culture there is very toe-the-line liberal in this state.

It doesn't matter that there's a huge rural population that supports 2A rights, a non-ban culture, etc. Democracy operates by popular vote, even when the majority is stripping the rights away from the minority. The republic was supposed to help with that, but most people don't know what a republic is (or a democracy, for that matter).

In short, Maryland will not continue to allow you to possess this-or-that firearm as long as they consider it a popular issue. The cities will elect politicians at the state level who will ignore the minority opinion. I'd love to be wrong, but I think I'm not.

 

[Gundahar]

I am entirely unclear what "your fight" is.

What I do support is MSI, 2AF, and....................................................................NRA. (Sorry, but the only evidence I can see of their contribution is what I read on this forum. Maybe send me a newsletter of activity along with the ads??? Something. I think they are probably more effective nationally, but here in MD...meh.)

Are you leading the efforts with any of those organizations? Are you bundling other conservative and/or Libertarian platforms into your "fight", or are you strictly 2A?

What exactly are you doing?


Gundahar

 

[gungate]

What I do support is MSI, 2AF, and....................................................................NRA. (Sorry, but the only evidence I can see of their contribution is what I read on this forum. Maybe send me a newsletter of activity along with the ads??? Something. I think they are probably more effective nationally, but here in MD...meh.)


Gundahar

The NRA doesn't fight lost causes. MD is a lost cause. They could dump millions into a MD pro-gun rights campaign that would make very little, if any difference in MD. Marylanders have to help themselves as no one else is going to. Whether that is fruitful remains to be seen.

 

[bpSchoch]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Going head on a pro-2a battle is very much an uphill battle. As I mentioned in an earlier post, stopping illegal immigration (and jobs) is a hot button (at least for my liberal friends).

Out common enemy is illegal immigration I believe.

So we should push getting rid of the incumbents based on we need fresh blood to stop this illegal immigration (BTW my county MoCo, is number 2 destination for the illegals in the US). Now if getting rid of the incumbents gives us a better chance on 2a issues, so much the better.

 

[Gundahar]

The NRA doesn't fight lost causes. MD is a lost cause. They could dump millions into a MD pro-gun rights campaign that would make very little, if any difference in MD. Marylanders have to help themselves as no one else is going to. Whether that is fruitful remains to be seen

Lost cause? You mean like Chicago right? :-)


Gundahar

 

[Brooklyn]

You're not going to fix it.

The Pied Piper was successful for a reason.

Even the brightest amongst us choose to remain ill informed.

Remaining stupid is profoundly easier than doing what is required to learn.

Just because you care and I care and others care doesn't mean we're going to convince those who don't care to care.

If you don't chill, you're going to have a heart attack because you keep expecting people to see what you see, understand what you understand, and believe what you believe.

No worries.. this is me being chill. My people know how to run as well as fight. And we know when as well.

 

[Brooklyn]

I am entirely unclear what "your fight" is.

What I do support is MSI, 2AF, and....................................................................NRA. (Sorry, but the only evidence I can see of their contribution is what I read on this forum. Maybe send me a newsletter of activity along with the ads??? Something. I think they are probably more effective nationally, but here in MD...meh.)

Are you leading the efforts with any of those organizations? Are you bundling other conservative and/or Libertarian platforms into your "fight", or are you strictly 2A?

What exactly are you doing?


Gundahar

Waiting for you to help MSI put out that newsletter..

Right now only about 20 people are active in MSI year round.. want more done.. so do we..

 

[Brooklyn]

A very conservative friend of mine voted for Obama because the end is inevitable and a vote for Obama gets us there quicker.

He is a fool. History teaches that crisis leads to more control not less. 90% odds the crash leads directly to martial law. They know it, that's the plan. Thank you friend for helping.

 

[Brooklyn]

So far 14:8 its over. At least its not 2:1. Yet.

 

[rob-cubed]

I see nothing wrong with what happened here, it's a case of a passionate minority "gaming the system" in the primary by taking advantage of very low turnout. Exactly what we're trying to do as DINOs.

Votes may technically get people into office, but unfortunately once in office it's often money that directs where a politician stands on issues. Money has an outsized influence on policy-making.

 

[andimorony]

Sweetpea, I don't know how to answer this poll. Money doesn't vote but you will not win without it. SOMEHOW you have to get your message out and even if you have a veritable army to go door to door with, you need to have something to hand the voters. Mailers are also integral to getting your message out and then, of course, for statewide/fed races, commercials become important.

You cannot win without some money to spend. If your opponent has significantly more than you, you have a serious problem ...especially if you don't spend it on messaging.

 

[Gundahar]

Waiting for you to help MSI put out that newsletter..

Okay, that helps. You state in the original post that this is running you out of cash--is this what you meant by that?????

I contribute to the organizations that I have mentioned, but never more than I am able to. Are you sure you don't need to just take a step back and make it about the long haul? Because civil rights movements are generally decades long, and are won by those with the longest sustained will, not by sprints.


Gundahar

 

[spclopr8tr]

This poll does not compute. I chose not to vote. I think a good candidate with a good message can beat a well funded candidate with a poor or no message. But that good candidate still needs to get that message out such that it is received, understood, and agreed with. Money is required to get that message out, particularly when the left leaning 4th estate chooses to provide free advertising to the candidates with which they privately align. Brat is one example of having sufficient funding to get a good message out that resonates with the people (at least the red people). Now, if we can only find a few topics both the red and the blue voters agree on we might stand a chance of putting the country back on a more even keel. But as the blue voters become increasingly wards of the state, it will be a tough message to convince them not to vote for the party that gives them all the entitlements.

 

[Brooklyn]

Sweetpea, I don't know how to answer this poll. Money doesn't vote but you will not win without it. SOMEHOW you have to get your message out and even if you have a veritable army to go door to door with, you need to have something to hand the voters. Mailers are also integral to getting your message out and then, of course, for statewide/fed races, commercials become important.

You cannot win without some money to spend. If your opponent has significantly more than you, you have a serious problem ...especially if you don't spend it on messaging.

Its motivated by the race in va. No one is saying don't raise money... this is more tougue in check. What are the lessons of the recent upset? And its not will we win if out spent.. . Its can we?

You fight like can win or you loose.. lots of folks here have decided we can't win.. I need to know how many think we can. That's our ground force.. I can't cris cross MD anymore .. out if money and out of time.. .so is there a ground force or it it over.

We will be out spent ... that's a given. We can work the ground game. Or not. That's what happened in VA and also the recalls in CO. It can happen here.. but so far it looks like it will not.

OK.. but the one man road show can't continue either way.

I have no issue with those who think we are done. I need to hear from those who do not. That's our ground force... if we have one.

 

[gungate]

He is a fool. History teaches that crisis leads to more control not less. 90% odds the crash leads directly to martial law. They know it, that's the plan. Thank you friend for helping.

uhh... this was my point.....

 

[Biggfoot44]

Brooklyn my friend ;

If the definition to to POLITICALLY win a clear 2A proactive victory in Md , it's not going to happen, our fight is inherently defensive.

There is no shame in a desire to personally live in a place where you have rights and freedoms. Realistically that involves voting with your feet. My escape was planned in broad terms decades ago for multiple reasons, and when the time comes, adios Md .

I am contrary enough the more lost the cause , the harder I fight. I'll have to get back in a cpl decades if that's noble or stupid.


Your continued efforts here would benefit Maryland, but who can say if they will ultimately be noble or misguided.

 

[Biggfoot44]

In general

Money doesn't always win, but that's how the smart money bets.

 

[Brooklyn]

Okay, that helps. You state in the original post that this is running you out of cash--is this what you meant by that?????

I contribute to the organizations that I have mentioned, but never more than I am able to. Are you sure you don't need to just take a step back and make it about the long haul? Because civil rights movements are generally decades long, and are won by those with the longest sustained will, not by sprints.


Gundahar

I was talking about my personal efforts..

The long game is national and via the courts. Folks showed up in 2013 and made promises to vote folks out in 2014. Well its 2014. The primary is but weeks away... is there a ground team. All I an looking for now is head count.. where are all those folks.. yes its a marathon... actually a long range relay... batton anyone? See ground work takes a long time we can wait to respond we need to be working now and in fact as Mr. H says year round.


If we can't or don't... no point throwing a fit on election day... to late then.

 

[Gundahar]

OK.. but the one man road show can't continue either way.

I think this is the specific part that is not understood. You are making it sound like you are personally running and funding a major operation that has no supporters.


Gundahar