Visit by Homeland Security yesterday for... a scope purchase?

[hit3961]

I should have been more clear with my "Never Again" comment. Never again will I allow on duty LEO's into my house without a warrant. They will have to force their way inside.
I knew what was going on and decided that for self preservation, it would be prudent to allow officer "A" inside my apartment. The rest of the alphabet followed him in and trashed my apartment.
IF there is a next time, they will have to provide a warrant (full cooperation) or bust the door down.

Did you file a suit for property damages?

 

[TheBert]

Then why does the government give the coast
Guard veteran benefits?

I raise you PHS and NOAA.

 

[Biggfoot44]

He probably could , but I suspect to give his lawyer stronger grounds to challenge .

 

[Biggfoot44]

Now Bert is stepping into Uniformed Service of Federal Gov't vs Military.

 

[hit3961]

Now Bert is stepping into Uniformed Service of Federal Gov't vs Military.

......

 

[Stoveman]

I raise you PHS and NOAA.

I'll call with a OICU812....

 

[TheBert]

DHS is not military. so posse concomitants doesn't seem to apply

Coast Guard is military and may be assigned to DHS. But DHS agents are not if I understand all this.

The Coast Guard is an armed force, they are not military unless in time of war and then when attached to the US Navy.

CG officers and PO's are attached to US Naval ships in order to perform LE duties all over the world.

 

[swinokur]

So are DHS agents military? Why would PC apply? I think think that was the point being made and I think it’s incorrect

 

[Doctor_M]

Coast guard is the dhs and they receive military benefits ... military benefits means a military organization so it violates PC.
Just one more way people give up there rights.

The USCG is not officially a military organization except during time of war when its is assumed under the US Navy. It is one of the seven uniformed services, but is not considered a military branch. Same thing with NOAA Corps and the Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service... uniformed commission but not military.

 

[Doctor_M]

I raise you PHS and NOAA.

Beat me to it...

 

[hit3961]

The USCG is not officially a military organization except during time of war when its is assumed under the US Navy. It is one of the seven uniformed services, but is not considered a military branch. Same thing with NOAA Corps and the Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service... uniformed commission but not military.

.

 

[Doctor_M]

The USCG is not officially a military organization except during time of war when its is assumed under the US Navy. It is one of the seven uniformed services, but is not considered a military branch. Same thing with NOAA Corps and the Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service... uniformed commission but not military.

Perhaps I'm mistaken... not for the first time.

"The United States Coast Guard (USCG) is a branch of the United States Armed Forces[12] and one of the country's seven uniformed services. The Coast Guard is a maritime, military, multi-mission service unique among the U.S. military branches for having a maritime law enforcement mission (with jurisdiction in both domestic and international waters) and a federal regulatory agency mission as part of its mission set. It operates under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security during peacetime, and can be transferred to the U.S. Department of the Navy by the U.S. President at any time, or by the U.S. Congress during times of war. This has happened twice, in 1917, during World War I, and in 1941, during World War II.[6][8]"

I do not believe that NOAA Corps or PHS are considered military though.

No disrespect to the Coasties intended... nothing but respect for you all.

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

Please don't feed the troll.

 

[hit3961]

Perhaps I'm mistaken... not for the first time.

"The United States Coast Guard (USCG) is a branch of the United States Armed Forces[12] and one of the country's seven uniformed services. The Coast Guard is a maritime, military, multi-mission service unique among the U.S. military branches for having a maritime law enforcement mission (with jurisdiction in both domestic and international waters) and a federal regulatory agency mission as part of its mission set. It operates under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security during peacetime, and can be transferred to the U.S. Department of the Navy by the U.S. President at any time, or by the U.S. Congress during times of war. This has happened twice, in 1917, during World War I, and in 1941, during World War II.[6][8]"

I do not believe that NOAA Corps or PHS are considered military though.

No disrespect to the Coasties intended... nothing but respect for you all.

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[traveller]

So are DHS agents military? Why would PC apply? I think think that was the point being made and I think it’s incorrect

DHS HSI is a federal law enforcement agency no different from FBI or ATF. There are a couple of things they specialize on: Child porn, forged trademarked goods (like watches, bootleg DVDs) and human trafficking. They also are the domestic arm to investigate violations of certain treaties with foreign countries.

 

[hit3961]

DHS HSI is a federal law enforcement agency no different from FBI or ATF. There are a couple of things they specialize on: Child porn, forged trademarked goods (like watches, bootleg DVDs) and human trafficking. They also are the domestic arm to investigate violations of certain treaties with foreign countries.

?

 

[Blaster229]

DHS HSI is a federal law enforcement agency no different from FBI or ATF. There are a couple of things they specialize on: Child porn, forged trademarked goods (like watches, bootleg DVDs) and human trafficking. They also are the domestic arm to investigate violations of certain treaties with foreign countries.

And weapons/trade violations on the international level. Like when you see a scope/weapon/accessory manufacturer state that "This item cannot be shipped overseas", violations.

 

[jrumann59]

I have not read the whole thread and from some of the posts I guess the paranoia is warranted. Many others have you ever wondered why gunowners are called "nuts". While I would not have had a full 20 minute conversation out in the frigid cold. I would have asked their business before letting them in. I have had run ins with Harford County Sheriffs couple of times they were "investigating" neighbors and one time came knocking at my door at 2am. I grabbed a pistol and answered the door and kindly inquired about their purpose here. I kindly told them to please wait a few minutes while I tidied up and put the pistol away out of site. I invited them and and asked and answered some questions. One of the deputies asked what gun I answered the door with, I asked, "what makes you think I answered the door with a firearm?" He said someone comes knocking at my door at 2am I am answering the door with a firearm. I lied and told him I had a pistol out on the dining room table where were at talking but that I put it away before letting them in. They left and no dogs were shot.

 

[lazarus]

I know if you consent to a search of your vehicle, you can tell the LEO to stop at any time.

Why would your home be any different?

It isn’t. Also just like a search of your vehicle though, they’ll probably try to manufacture a reason to continue the search. Much harder to with a house then a car where you can get a drug dog to alert on nothing 10 out of 10 Times when they want to search it.

So in all likelihood it means leaving and convincing a judge to get a warrant. Which they’ll probably give as judges only rarely say no.

 

[swinokur]

So if DHS agents ARE NOT military, PC would not apply.

Point made.

Troll feeding time is now over.