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    Ultimate Member
    Feb 23, 2010
    11,891
    Central
    Funny pre-Hogan everyone wanted the HPRB gone. Hogan, who folks classify as not pro-gun (I deleted the word anti), changed the appointees and everyone was fine with it and now most don't want it gone.

    Just an observation.
     

    Stoveman

    TV Personality
    Patriot Picket
    Sep 2, 2013
    28,530
    Cuba on the Chesapeake
    Funny pre-Hogan everyone wanted the HPRB gone. Hogan, who folks classify as not pro-gun (I deleted the word anti), changed the appointees and everyone was fine with it and now most don't want it gone.

    Just an observation.


    Observe a little harder.

    Pre Hogan the board was a MSP rubber stamp for 40+ years and even met in one of the MSP barracks.

    Through a stroke of luck (divine intervention :shrug:) and timing Hogan found himself appointing four of five board members. Two of his first four (including one member of this board) were in over their heads and had no clue what the board could and indeed was legally obligated to do. For the better part of a year there were four Hogan appointees and yet the needle still didn't move.

    After Chairman Thomas' mid meeting stroke Bob Wilson was made chairman and Cowan was appointed and slowly the board began to realize their oversight role even though White and West still routinely voted to sustain the MSP.

    After Sir Richard of Montgomery got the ax by the Senate, White realized or was told that she didn't have a clue and resigned and these two vacancies were filled by a couple of independent thinkers in Holman and Judah and it was only during this period when board reversals of MSP became the norm and not the exception, primarily for business owners looking to remove their asinine permit restrictions.

    Hogan got played in a game of Executive Nomination chicken and pulled Holman and Judah's names from the hat, West resigned and Hogan waited until Sine Die to announce another set of recess appointments, Fischer, Loveless and Michel, and for the rest of the year the board rightly continued exposing permit restrictions to be the fifth amendment trap that it was and continued to draw the ire of petulant Dems.

    Bob Wilson retired and the Senate voted down Fischer, Loveless and Michel leaving the board in April of last year with one member, Jacque Cowan. Apparently the Senate's vote took Team Hogan by total surprise and after he vetoed SB1000 he had to scramble to fill four vacancies and pulled four jokers from the deck.

    Of course at that time it didn't matter because the board had effectively been dead since October 2018 when the MSP could appeal to the, shocker, MSP trained OAH ALJs who, once again, were an MSP rubber stamp.

    The HPRB is an oversight board but it's always been political just like the appointment of the MSP Superintendent.

    A Hogan appointed board has not always been the friend of the Second Amendment but did have about a two year run and that is literally the extent of Hogan's support for the RKBA. Pathetic.
     

    Zorros

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 10, 2017
    1,407
    Metropolis
    I received a fb post from the nw delegate sandy rosenberg ( a man who graduated from columbia law and never took the bar, nor held any job other than being a professional delegate) to gloat, yes gloat, over the veto override. This from a delegate whose district is awash in violent crime that affects the honest and the dishonest with the honest having no way to protect themselves. Its merely a rights grab as there is no evidence that ccw issued citizens in any way contribute to gun crimes. The state police decisions on ccw will be upheld 99.5% of the time and the reviewing court will have 0 discretion. What a jerk (off).
     

    HoCoShooter

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 25, 2009
    3,517
    Howard County
    Observe a little harder.

    Pre Hogan the board was a MSP rubber stamp for 40+ years and even met in one of the MSP barracks.

    Through a stroke of luck (divine intervention :shrug:) and timing Hogan found himself appointing four of five board members. Two of his first four (including one member of this board) were in over their heads and had no clue what the board could and indeed was legally obligated to do. For the better part of a year there were four Hogan appointees and yet the needle still didn't move.

    After Chairman Thomas' mid meeting stroke Bob Wilson was made chairman and Cowan was appointed and slowly the board began to realize their oversight role even though White and West still routinely voted to sustain the MSP.

    After Sir Richard of Montgomery got the ax by the Senate, White realized or was told that she didn't have a clue and resigned and these two vacancies were filled by a couple of independent thinkers in Holman and Judah and it was only during this period when board reversals of MSP became the norm and not the exception, primarily for business owners looking to remove their asinine permit restrictions.

    Hogan got played in a game of Executive Nomination chicken and pulled Holman and Judah's names from the hat, West resigned and Hogan waited until Sine Die to announce another set of recess appointments, Fischer, Loveless and Michel, and for the rest of the year the board rightly continued exposing permit restrictions to be the fifth amendment trap that it was and continued to draw the ire of petulant Dems.

    Bob Wilson retired and the Senate voted down Fischer, Loveless and Michel leaving the board in April of last year with one member, Jacque Cowan. Apparently the Senate's vote took Team Hogan by total surprise and after he vetoed SB1000 he had to scramble to fill four vacancies and pulled four jokers from the deck.

    Of course at that time it didn't matter because the board had effectively been dead since October 2018 when the MSP could appeal to the, shocker, MSP trained OAH ALJs who, once again, were an MSP rubber stamp.

    The HPRB is an oversight board but it's always been political just like the appointment of the MSP Superintendent.

    A Hogan appointed board has not always been the friend of the Second Amendment but did have about a two year run and that is literally the extent of Hogan's support for the RKBA. Pathetic.


    Stoveman, in your opinion, (and of course still pending a favorable outcome from SCOTUS in the next 6ish months and then whatever foot-dragging occurs), do you expect that nothing will improve nor likely decline from the current situation of business owners being generally approved without restriction?
     

    MigraineMan

    Defenestration Specialist
    Jun 9, 2011
    19,366
    Frederick County

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    Blackbeard

    Member
    Jan 1, 2019
    21
    It’s not so much disbanding of the board that scares me, its the fact they they think that reducing the number of permit holders is a direct relation to crime and safety. I would bet 0.0% of the gun crimes are committed by permit holders. Just continues to show their lack of knowledge and ignorance on actual facts.

    Anyone know where I can find or have stats on permit holders and weapons crime?
     

    danb

    dont be a dumbass
    Feb 24, 2013
    22,704
    google is your friend, I am not.
    It’s not so much disbanding of the board that scares me, its the fact they they think that reducing the number of permit holders is a direct relation to crime and safety. I would bet 0.0% of the gun crimes are committed by permit holders. Just continues to show their lack of knowledge and ignorance on actual facts.

    Anyone know where I can find or have stats on permit holders and weapons crime?

    Well, duh, "they" like Frosh have thought this for decades. If you need any proof about the gun permit process and crime, the year after the HQL murder was up 35% and has not come down since. If for some reason you think that this is about logic or facts, you have not thought about it very long. Its about virtue signalling, driving out taxpayers, and ideology.

    Even the leftist Violence Policy Center has a hard time coming up with crimes by CCW holders.

    But again, this override was pure grandstanding. Everyone in that chamber knows Roberts and the Supreme Court will very soon have the last word.
     

    Stoveman

    TV Personality
    Patriot Picket
    Sep 2, 2013
    28,530
    Cuba on the Chesapeake
    Stoveman, in your opinion, (and of course still pending a favorable outcome from SCOTUS in the next 6ish months and then whatever foot-dragging occurs), do you expect that nothing will improve nor likely decline from the current situation of business owners being generally approved without restriction?



    Two things - the wheels of change turn slowly in the MSP and hearings at OAH cost time and money. Eventually someone with deep enough pockets would appeal an ALJ ruling up through the courts. In the meantime two troopers would be spending copious amounts of their day in Hunt Valley.

    The average HPRB hearing was ~15-20 mins, most of the OAH hearings ran over an hour, some up to three hours.
     

    Stoveman

    TV Personality
    Patriot Picket
    Sep 2, 2013
    28,530
    Cuba on the Chesapeake
    It’s not so much disbanding of the board that scares me, its the fact they they think that reducing the number of permit holders is a direct relation to crime and safety. I would bet 0.0% of the gun crimes are committed by permit holders. Just continues to show their lack of knowledge and ignorance on actual facts.

    Anyone know where I can find or have stats on permit holders and weapons crime?



    You can submit a PIA to the MSP but I can save you some time, more people were struck by lightning. It just doesn't happen and they know this, it's not about public safety.
     

    Mike OTDP

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 12, 2008
    3,324
    I'm wondering how this will affect the arguments in the case we're trying to get to SCOTUS. I've long thought we had a decent 14th Amendment Due Process case to make...because MSP seems not to have a coherent policy.
     

    ShafTed

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 21, 2013
    2,225
    Juuuuust over the line
    ...
    Anyone know where I can find or have stats on permit holders and weapons crime?

    I can almost guarantee you that the number is no greater than zero. If this had EVER happened, it would be front page headlines in every Baltimore & Washington newspaper every day from now to forever, and every TV station would also be broadcasting it nonstop. You have to remember that the media long ago gave up any pretense of neutrality, they are all now the Official Publicity Department of the DemonRat Party.
     

    smokey

    2A TEACHER
    Jan 31, 2008
    31,555
    There's no reason to comply with infringements against carry at this point. The state legislators clearly have no respect for the highest laws of our land, so the people should have no respect for their laws.
     

    welder516

    Deplorable Welder
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 8, 2013
    27,538
    Underground Bunker
    There's no reason to comply with infringements against carry at this point. The state legislators clearly have no respect for the highest laws of our land, so the people should have no respect for their laws.

    To be completely honest they are unlawful laws they enacted .
     

    Kicken Wing

    Snakes and Sparklers
    Apr 5, 2014
    868
    WASH-CO
    I can almost guarantee you that the number is no greater than zero. If this had EVER happened, it would be front page headlines in every Baltimore & Washington newspaper every day from now to forever, and every TV station would also be broadcasting it nonstop. You have to remember that the media long ago gave up any pretense of neutrality, they are all now the Official Publicity Department of the DemonRat Party.

    Absolutely spot on. The story would never go away and it would be on full blast forever and a day in Maryland.
     

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