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  • John from MD

    American Patriot
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    May 12, 2005
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    Thanks Nick. I am going to probably buy a Sparrow for my .22 first and, when SS gets them back in, a user serviceable 9mm can. When you said "upload photo" does that mean I need a smart phone? I don't have one.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
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    May 12, 2005
    22,721
    Socialist State of Maryland
    I ordered a suppressor

    Thanks to the info you folks have supplied and feedback I received on the Dead Air Mask suppressor, I ordered one through Silencer Shop and will use Gun Metal as the FFL since that is the closest place to me.

    As soon as I figure out which 9mm can I want, I will be ordering one of those also. :lol:
     

    GBear

    Member
    Mar 16, 2021
    55
    Baltimore
    I’ve been following this thread which helped me finally pull the trigger. I went through silencer shop and got a DA Nomad-30 for my DDM4 PDW. I have to complete my fingerprints tomorrow because the shop was closed today and then it’s sit and wait time...sigh.
     

    md_al

    Active Member
    Apr 25, 2014
    724
    Middle River
    https://www.quietbore.com/2020/10/14/how-to-order-a-form-1-kit-from-quietbore/

    basically
    1. pick out a form 1 kit, get specs/length/caliber etc, info only, do not buy it(having parts without a form 1 can get your dog shot), although some may allow a "deposit" and hold it till you have a form 1. get prints or do them yourself on FBI standard print cards
    2. file a form 1 on the atf website with the spec info.
    3. get confirm on the filing and a cover sheet, mail cover sheet and print cards to the ATF, send the letter to your CLEO.
    4. get the F1 approved, buy the F1 suppressor kit and jig, most sellers now need a copy of your F1 before they send it. They should engrave it for you.
    5. drill it, build it, use a test rod to make sure everything lines up and you won't get a baffle strike.
    6. test fire. test with a brace before you pin/weld the mount and tube if you are doing a single stamp rifle with < 16" barrel.

    A decent kit is stupid easy to make, basically drill baffles/end cap with a drill press, centering jig and assemble. Some may add clips, slots or ports in the baffles with a milling bit to get a little better performance.

    I do have the freeze plug shaper for the 1.5" freezeplugs as well as a 6 ton press and those recommended in the $100 form 1 can thread by Webber.

    The #4 part: Send letter to your CLEO. What letter is that. Also for fingerprints, I had a Trust once upon a time and did a Form 1 x 3. Do I need prints of those in the Trust (Me and Wife) or also the beneficiaries (still minors at this time)?
     

    awdnick2986

    Active Member
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 27, 2013
    183
    Thanks Nick. I am going to probably buy a Sparrow for my .22 first and, when SS gets them back in, a user serviceable 9mm can. When you said "upload photo" does that mean I need a smart phone? I don't have one.

    John. Yes, I used my IPhone and the Silencer Shop app to take a photo. I am not sure what other ways it can be done. I might suggest talking to the FFL that you are having it shipped to as they might be able to direct you to another way to get that done.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
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    May 12, 2005
    22,721
    Socialist State of Maryland
    John. Yes, I used my IPhone and the Silencer Shop app to take a photo. I am not sure what other ways it can be done. I might suggest talking to the FFL that you are having it shipped to as they might be able to direct you to another way to get that done.

    I made an appointment for photo and fingerprints at Gun Metal in Millersville. I decided to go with the Dead Air Mask instead of the Sparrow based on numerous reviews of each.

    Thanks for your help.
     

    DaemonAssassin

    Why should we Free BSD?
    Jun 14, 2012
    23,970
    Political refugee in WV
    Thanks Nick. I am going to probably buy a Sparrow for my .22 first and, when SS gets them back in, a user serviceable 9mm can. When you said "upload photo" does that mean I need a smart phone? I don't have one.

    Have you tried a sparrow yet? If not, I have 2 videos I can send you that may help you decide if that is what you'd like to get.

    As for a user serviceable 9mm can, I'd recommend against it. Centerfire cans don't need to be cleaned very often, if at all. The centerfire rounds actually clean the can out for the most part when shooting.

    Honestly, I'd tell you to skip the 9mm can and get a 45 can. Specifically the Silencerco Osprey 45. No need for suppressor height sights on your pistols and a 45 can will suppress anything 45ACP and smaller. I have videos of a Osprey 45 where I'm just shooting it and also where I'm hitting a steel plate target for sound comparison.

    Call up SS and ask if you can do a backorder over the phone for a can that you want. You may be surprised as to what happens.
     

    Reloader

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 23, 2007
    1,381
    Arnold, MD
    I made an appointment for photo and fingerprints at Gun Metal in Millersville. I decided to go with the Dead Air Mask instead of the Sparrow based on numerous reviews of each.

    Thanks for your help.

    This is the first I've heard of this joint, I might have to check them out!
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,721
    Socialist State of Maryland
    Have you tried a sparrow yet? If not, I have 2 videos I can send you that may help you decide if that is what you'd like to get.

    I decided to go with a Dead Air Mask based on reviews and members feedback.


    As for a user serviceable 9mm can, I'd recommend against it. Centerfire cans don't need to be cleaned very often, if at all. The centerfire rounds actually clean the can out for the most part when shooting.

    I shoot cast bullets that I make in all my guns except .22RF and 5.56 AR platforms. This makes user serviceable mandatory as they crud up pretty good.


    Honestly, I'd tell you to skip the 9mm can and get a 45 can. Specifically the Silencerco Osprey 45. No need for suppressor height sights on your pistols and a 45 can will suppress anything 45ACP and smaller. I have videos of a Osprey 45 where I'm just shooting it and also where I'm hitting a steel plate target for sound comparison.

    I have no .45 that I wish to suppress that is why I want a 9mm can.

    Call up SS and ask if you can do a backorder over the phone for a can that you want. You may be surprised as to what happens.


    I replied to your post between the lines.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,721
    Socialist State of Maryland
    This is the first I've heard of this joint, I might have to check them out!

    From what I could find out, they look like a FFL machine shop that also does CerraKote.

    FFL and SOT manufacturing company, custom shop and dealer (fi****ms and NFA items). Certified Cerakote applicator. Laser Engraving. Maryland's #1 Certified Cerakote applicator.

    Premier Manufacturer for the AR Platform. Forged in America

    We are now Maryland's #1 Certified Cerakote and Custom Shop. Winner of the Customer's Choice Award from the Cerakote factory. Our life philosophy is we are one Nation, UNDER GOD. I believe the Bible and the U.S. Constitution to be the greatest and most important documents ever written. We are supremely grateful to our men and women who have been in military service to our great nation. We also thank those in law enforcement and anyone else to puts their lives on the line so we can enjoy the American Dream. So great is our passion for America, our military, and fi****ms, we started a gun manufacturing company in a state ranked 4th in the nation for toughest firearm restrictions. We are committed to ensuring the survival of the 2nd Amendment. We channel this drive into our products by using the finest American materials and craftsmanship. We insist on the highest level of quality from our vendors. And we give back to our community by donating to local nonprofits and supporting local businesses.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,721
    Socialist State of Maryland
    Just finished up signing all the Silencer Shop forms for my Dead Air Mask. I am using Mike at Gun Metal in Millersville and he seems to know what he is doing. It appears they are so busy CerroKoting stuff that they stopped doing slide cuts. ( I asked since I new they did them before).

    Next month I am looking at buying a 9mm can. The two I am looking at are the Gemtec Lunar 9 and GM 9.
     

    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,643
    PA
    I do have the freeze plug shaper for the 1.5" freezeplugs as well as a 6 ton press and those recommended in the $100 form 1 can thread by Webber.

    The #4 part: Send letter to your CLEO. What letter is that. Also for fingerprints, I had a Trust once upon a time and did a Form 1 x 3. Do I need prints of those in the Trust (Me and Wife) or also the beneficiaries (still minors at this time)?

    https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/blogs/nfa-gun-trust-atf-information-database-blog/atf-form-1-nfa-tax-stamp-walk-through-guide

    Mailing Documentation for your CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer):

    (1) BATFE Form 1 (5320.1) - Note: from your ATF Form 1 these are pages 11 through 13. (Application to Make and Register a Firearm).

    (1) BATFE Form 5320.23 - Note: from your ATF Form 1 these are pages 5 through 6. (National Firearms Act Responsible Person Questionnaire) from all Responsible Persons.

    Each other responsible person of the gun trust, if applicable, will mail the below to their CLEO.

    (1) BATFE Form 5320.23 - Note: from your ATF Form 1 these are pages 3 through 4. (National Firearms Act Responsible Person Questionnaire)
    Mailing Documentation for the BATFE:

    (1) Stapled Photocopy of NFA Gun Trust Documentation. (you can purchase your NFA Gun Trust here). Include a copy of any and each amendment(s) in your NFA Gun Trust. If you don't have any gun trust amendments, then this doesn't apply to you.

    (1) $200 Check made out to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives for your Tax Stamp. You can also pay by cashier's check or credit card. See the ATF Form 1 for more payment options.

    (1) Original BATFE Form 1's (5320.1) ATF COPY - Note: from your ATF Form 1 these are pages 1 through 3. (Application to Make and Register a Firearm).

    (1) Original BATFE Form 1's (5320.1) ATF COPY 2 - Note: from your ATF Form 1 these are pages 8 through 10. (Application to Make and Register a Firearm).

    (1) Original BATFE Form 5320.23 - Note: you need pages 1 through 2 for each Responsible Person that is active in the gun trust and located on your gun trust. This includes: settlor and all co-trustees. (National Firearms Act Responsible Person Questionnaire). You need to include the below bulleted items with your BATFE Form 5230.23.

    Affix (1) Passport Photo - 2x2 to Item 3e on Form 5320.23. This applies to every 5320.23 you are submitting to the ATF. Use a paperclip to affix the passport photo to your ATF Form 5320.23. NOTE: If you are applying as an individual you will need to submit (2) Passport Photos - 2x2 for your application. If needed, we provide passport photo printing services to ensure your passport photo will be accepted by the ATF.
    (2) Original FBI Form FD-258's (Fingerprint Card) from all Responsible Persons. Use a paperclip to affix the Original FBI Form FD-258's to the ATF Form 5320.23. Fingerprints must be submitted on Fingerprint Identification Cards, FD–258 that have been issued by ATF. The fingerprint cards must contain the following ORI information: WVATF0900; ATF–NATL EXPL LIC, MARTINSBURG WV or WVATF0800 ATF-NATL TRA CTR MARTINSBURG, WV. You can buy the FBI Form FD-258's Paper Fingerprinting Packet Here. The fingerprint cards can be completed yourself, by your local law enforcement authority, or another qualified entity. Source ATF, "How do I get my fingerprints taken?".




    I replied to your post between the lines.

    Good choice on the mask, much better tone, little quieter and no FRP, probably the best all around 22 can out now, mine has been great.

    I like serviceable cans, and pistol ammo can crud it up quite a bit, you can get away with a few rifle cal rounds on cans rated for both to clear it out, but if it's pistol cal only, would definitely like to be able to clean it, especially with cast ammo. Much of the differences come down to the usual, size weight, rating, attachment method. I really like 3 lug with anything fixed barrel, super quick and easy, universal, and won't come loose. I would rather get a good PCC or rifle rated can that I could occasionally use with a booster/handgun than a lightweight handgun can that isn't great on rifles. The only handguns I really like suppressed are 22s, a 22 can is small/light enough to not be cumbersome and they are still stupid quiet.

    I have a few potential 45 hosts, but after playing with cans for a few years, have found a couple things. 22 and PCCs are by far the most fun, and quiet as expected. Rifle calibers are fun and much more shootable than unsuppressed, but take more work to limit gas blowback and ensure reliability. Suppressed handguns are a novelty, still kinda loud, and bulky/heavy, so not as practical or fun as they would seem. You could use a rifle rated 9mm can, that is probably the most versatile setup. Otherwise I would rather have the smaller lighter 9mm can than a larger heavier and loud 45 can. unless you have a 45cal PCC, IMO it's probably the least useful can.

    In a 9mm can, There are 3 that kinda stand out, Silencerco 36M, Dead Air Wolfman, and the Rugged Obsidian 9. Main thing they all share is modular length, and they are all excellent PCC cans that can handle some (or many) rifle cals. A short 5" K can is really nice on short braced pistols or SBRs, or even handguns, and the ability to add an extension to quiet it down more is convenient. While all 3 have 3 lug setups, the Wolfman and 36M can handle full power rifle rounds, and the heat will destroy a 3 lug mount, so you would need another mounting method to get the full versatility out of them.
     
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    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,721
    Socialist State of Maryland
    https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/blogs/nfa-gun-trust-atf-information-database-blog/atf-form-1-nfa-tax-stamp-walk-through-guide








    Good choice on the mask, much better tone, little quieter and no FRP, probably the best all around 22 can out now, mine has been great.

    I like serviceable cans, and pistol ammo can crud it up quite a bit, you can get away with a few rifle cal rounds on cans rated for both to clear it out, but if it's pistol cal only, would definitely like to be able to clean it, especially with cast ammo. Much of the differences come down to the usual, size weight, rating, attachment method. I really like 3 lug with anything fixed barrel, super quick and easy, universal, and won't come loose. I would rather get a good PCC or rifle rated can that I could occasionally use with a booster/handgun than a lightweight handgun can that isn't great on rifles. The only handguns I really like suppressed are 22s, a 22 can is small/light enough to not be cumbersome and they are still stupid quiet.

    I have a few potential 45 hosts, but after playing with cans for a few years, have found a couple things. 22 and PCCs are by far the most fun, and quiet as expected. Rifle calibers are fun and much more shootable than unsuppressed, but take more work to limit gas blowback and ensure reliability. Suppressed handguns are a novelty, still kinda loud, and bulky/heavy, so not as practical or fun as they would seem. You could use a rifle rated 9mm can, that is probably the most versatile setup. Otherwise I would rather have the smaller lighter 9mmm can than a larger heavier and loud 45 can. unless you have a 45cal PCC, IMO it's probably the least useful can.

    I am planning to put the 9mm can on my CMMG Banshee. It has the Radial Delayed Blowback system. Do you think that it will work with a can?
     

    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,643
    PA
    I am planning to put the 9mm can on my CMMG Banshee. It has the Radial Delayed Blowback system. Do you think that it will work with a can?

    yes, they run well. if the barrel is fixed, then 3 lug, DT or a booster with fixed barrel spacer will work. If it's a handgun with recoil operation aka most handguns with a locked breech, then it needs a booster to work.
     

    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,643
    PA
    Is one 3 lug adapter the same as any other or do you have to buy one by the can manufacturer?

    the muzzle adapter is a standard dimention, but some are better than others, KVP fit well and are cheap. Most 3 lug adapters that go into a can are 1 1/8x 28 and thread into the booster housing, pistol cans might have it built in, but some modular rifle rated cans have a separate booster housing that threads in, and the 3 lug adapter goes into that. Some companies also make 3 lug blast shields, I have an AR9 with a 5" barrel and 9" handguard to run my can under the handguards, can swap in the 3 lug "In Lead We Trust" blast shield and shoot unsuppressed too. It's by far my favorite muzzle device setup, can pop it on or off in seconds with 1 hand.

    I went into suppressors thinking handguns and rifle cal AR15s would be the most fun. They are, but braced/SBR sized 22 and 9mm carbines are by far the best, really quiet, practical and makes them a ton of fun to shoot.

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    calicojack

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    May 29, 2018
    5,348
    Cuba on the Chesapeake
    yes, they run well. if the barrel is fixed, then 3 lug, DT or a booster with fixed barrel spacer will work. If it's a handgun with recoil operation aka most handguns with a locked breech, then it needs a booster to work.

    Ok - so now I know what the booster is for and when you don't need one.

    [EDIT]
    So my Walther PPK/S 380 (e.g.) does not need a booster. Hmmm. No threaded barrel though.
     

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