MD SB479 - Firearm House Storage Penalties

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  • Defense Rifle

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    Darkemp

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    Aug 18, 2009
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    Would need to read the full text but on the surface not the worst we’ve seen by far. Seems like a common sense issue of responsible ownership to go to lengths to prohibit access but being a responsible person is not a requirement for ownership either.
     

    THier

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    Dec 3, 2010
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    Problem is, too many people are stupid,, they have to put warning labels on hair driers telling you not to use one in the tub.
    So, stupid people can't keep firearms out of kids hands.
     

    lazarus

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    Jun 23, 2015
    13,678
    Problem is, too many people are stupid,, they have to put warning labels on hair driers telling you not to use one in the tub.
    So, stupid people can't keep firearms out of kids hands.

    The evidence on the number of NDs from unsupervised minors gaining access to firearms every year seems to indicate you are correct.

    Dunno how I feel about it. I think the penalties for the middle one are too high. The last one seems reasonable. Kid gets the gun because it was stored somewhere it shouldn’t have and they hurt themself or someone else, yeah I think the person should have criminal culpability for that.

    You trust your kids? Great. If you are wrong about it, well parents should be responsible for their kids actions.
     

    jkeys

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    Jan 30, 2013
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    Surely ever single law enforcement officer is going to go out and buy a safe and secure their guns whenever they come home from work right?
     

    Bertfish

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    Mar 13, 2013
    17,606
    White Marsh, MD
    If your kid gets your gun and does something bad this is your fault as a parent and should be held accountable.

    Now then. We have much bigger issues in this state than this. More feel good ******** from the Left.
     

    Rus

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    Nov 27, 2017
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    No. Carroll County
    If your kid gets your gun and does something bad this is your fault as a parent and should be held accountable.


    In the safe storage context, an 8 year old damages something, he/she couldnt be expected to have the understanding needed for full accountability, so it would be on the parent. That would not necessarily require buying a safe.

    If the 17 year old pharmaceutical distribution specialist does so, he/she needs to be held fully accountable. Buying a safe won't alter that.
    No safe required then, either.

    Maybe instead of trying to rewrite history, create a convoluted math system, or teach them to use condoms but not pronouns, the teachers should teach firearm safety and critical thinking.
    No safe required by law there, either.
     

    natsb

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    Sep 18, 2013
    1,255
    southern MD
    On one hand, it makes sense for responsible gun owners to store them safely, but think of the ramifications of this law.

    Why stop at guns? Why not send an adult to jail if a minor misuses a kitchen knife that wasn't locked down. Maybe an adult didn't put the car keys in a safe, and a minor took the car and kills someone on the highway.

    Why would this law be sensible for guns, but not the dozens of other things in a house a minor could use to harm themselves or others?

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    Bob A

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    On one hand, it makes sense for responsible gun owners to store them safely, but think of the ramifications of this law.

    Why stop at guns? Why not send an adult to jail if a minor misuses a kitchen knife that wasn't locked down. Maybe an adult didn't put the car keys in a safe, and a minor took the car and kills someone on the highway.

    Why would this law be sensible for guns, but not the dozens of other things in a house a minor could use to harm themselves or others?

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    Try to avoid rational thought over the actions of the GA.

    The reasons they present for their chronic abuse of firearms owners are merely window dressing.

    Taking the Red Flag law as an example, removing a firearm from a potentially danger ous person does nothing to prevent the person from dangerous action, with kitchen knives, hammers, automobiles. A sensible law would address the person, not the tool.

    It's about removing firearms from the public. You know why.
     

    Doctor_M

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    From the time I was twelve I had a shotgun in my closet (along with ammo). Kids who are raised properly, have developed the proper respect for firearms, and who have been trained in safety can in fact have access to guns without the world coming to an end. More one-size-fits all crap from the Nanny state.
     

    dgapilot

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    May 13, 2013
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    Frederick County
    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I got my first .22 when I was 12, hung on the wall right above my bed! Taught gun safety from the time I had cap pistols and played cowboys and Indians. Hopefully had enough sense to know right from wrong, and the consequences of doing bad things early on (didn’t always stop me but that’s something else). Only a parent should have the right to say what their kids can and can’t do. To have stupid laws like this makes me mad. Why single out guns? Why not just write a law that says if your kid does something, anything, the parent will be held accountable both criminally and civilly.

    Oh yeah, I forgot it isn’t PC to play cowboys and Indians anymore. That’s it, there is the whole problem.


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    Glaron

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    More laws... Make everything illegal. Not like Democrats follow the law. from politicians to judges.. To Antifa BLM.. etc.

    Pass more rules and regulations to cow the moral people of society so they are afraid of everything.

    Hammer laws for the garage, have you seen the blunt trama data?
    Kitchen control. the UK already have knife turn in bins. laws!
    Make ladders require a permit. Have you seen a ladder fall?
    We need to reduce the freedom and responsibility.

    It takes a VILLAGE! That is inclusive to destroy the family. ;)
     

    randomuser

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    Nov 12, 2018
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    Baltimore County
    Surely ever single law enforcement officer is going to go out and buy a safe and secure their guns whenever they come home from work right?

    Why not just form a new .gov agency. We could create a lot of t̶a̶x̶ ̶b̶u̶r̶d̶e̶n̶s̶ jobs. New agency could perform random checks on homes with registered guns to ensure they are secured properly.

    Maybe we can just regulate the heck out of everything and then people will get so pissed they realize that lawmakers are less needed and we actually can then agree to start removing bad and old laws and only keep around the
    minimum needed. For some reason we seem to have plenty of laws that are unenforced, but pretty much cover things already. No need for more.
     

    Darkemp

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    On one hand, it makes sense for responsible gun owners to store them safely, but think of the ramifications of this law.

    Why stop at guns? Why not send an adult to jail if a minor misuses a kitchen knife that wasn't locked down. Maybe an adult didn't put the car keys in a safe, and a minor took the car and kills someone on the highway.

    Why would this law be sensible for guns, but not the dozens of other things in a house a minor could use to harm themselves or others?

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    As someone with a 6 year old and 2 year old I’ve gained a wealth of knowledge about locking down the house of dangerous items. If it is accessible a child may access it no matter what you think they will do. As for firearms I’m in agreement with keeping them firmly inaccessible but also taking time to teach as well under supervision.
     

    randomuser

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    Nov 12, 2018
    5,775
    Baltimore County
    As someone with a 6 year old and 2 year old I’ve gained a wealth of knowledge about locking down the house of dangerous items. If it is accessible a child may access it no matter what you think they will do. As for firearms I’m in agreement with keeping them firmly inaccessible but also taking time to teach as well under supervision.

    I have a 3 and 4(almost 5) and I know where you are coming from. I think Parents need to parent and .gov needs to stay out of peoples home and property. Should not be making rules that apply like that.

    Everyone is different.

    I have a brother who has all that kitchen crap that locks the cabinets to keep his kids out. he also has the dressers bolted to the wall cause he is worried they would fall on the kid.

    I never put those things on any of my cabinets. I removed the things from their reach that would hurt them. I taught them that they were not to go into the cabinets. As they got older they were permitted in certain cabinets. I work on teaching them that there are rules and consequences. Instead of using l brackets to bolt down my kids furniture, I taught my kids that you don't climb on stuff. I showed them that when a drawer is opened you dont pull down on it etc. Basically, I'm teaching them rules, manners and how to act. It's probably easier to just bolt things down and let your kids be monsters for some people, but not me. I'd rather teach them.

    At what point can we stop being nannied by politicians and having our furniture bolted down under threat of jail? When does it end?

    We already have plenty of rules.

    I bought a blackhawk3 bag some time ago that came with a warning for california residents. If someone wants to live in a safe bubble they can, but don't make me live in it because of your fear. (not you, talking about those who want to infringe).
     

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