Changing the C&R law for handguns in md

ohen cepel · Nov 10, 2014

I know anything in md is hard to do but please bear with me a minute.

I think if we put some effort behind it we could over turn this part of the older law in md so that C&R pistols could be bought in state with a C&R. I know it won't impact a lot of people but it would be a small victory showing more of their flawed logic and could help a little to keep the FFL's in the state going. There have been several times when I would have bought a nice old pistol while on a road trip in the state but couldn't make the trip back to get it again in 2 weeks so the shop lost a sale for now.

Many things are hard to explain to the "soccer moms" for them to support. However, arguing that a person with a federal license should be able to buy a WWII relic in the state may pass the common sense test with most people.

Just at thought at how to chip away at the stupidity here.

iH8DemLibz · Nov 10, 2014

In many people's minds, a slug from a WWII era 1911 will kill you just as dead as a slug from a Kimber.

While I agree with you, we have bigger fish to fry and Leftist legislators to fillet.

Metaphorically speaking of course.

Mark75H · Nov 10, 2014

I am afraid this would only backfire and get C&R treated like new

Lou45 · Nov 10, 2014

Mark75H said:
I am afraid this would only backfire and get C&R treated like new

I sorta' agree with this ^^^.

rmiddle · Nov 10, 2014

ohen cepel said:
I know anything in md is hard to do but please bear with me a minute.

I think if we put some effort behind it we could over turn this part of the older law in md so that C&R pistols could be bought in state with a C&R. I know it won't impact a lot of people but it would be a small victory showing more of their flawed logic and could help a little to keep the FFL's in the state going. There have been several times when I would have bought a nice old pistol while on a road trip in the state but couldn't make the trip back to get it again in 2 weeks so the shop lost a sale for now.

Many things are hard to explain to the "soccer moms" for them to support. However, arguing that a person with a federal license should be able to buy a WWII relic in the state may pass the common sense test with most people.

Just at thought at how to chip away at the stupidity here.

Pretty certain C&R was address in 281. Pretty certain you can buy a handgun that is more then 99 years old newer then that requires an HQL. So you might not require to go though an FFL to buy an WWII relic you would need an HQL unless it was at least 99 years old.

Thanks
Robert

llkoolkeg · Nov 10, 2014

I just put in for one and don't want it screwed up before I get a chance to actually receive and use it.

jkeiler · Nov 10, 2014

I agree it would be a good place to start. There is risk in anything. If you talk to anti's they frequently cite not being against "guns" but "assault weapons." Even anti's are not so against collectors after historic firearms.

rseymorejr · Nov 10, 2014

rmiddle said:
Pretty certain C&R was address in 281. Pretty certain you can buy a handgun that is more then 99 years old newer then that requires an HQL. So you might not require to go though an FFL to buy an WWII relic you would need an HQL unless it was at least 99 years old.

Thanks
Robert

Nope
ALL handguns need to go through FFL or MSP, 7 Day wait and all. The only thing that buying a C&R eligible handgun does is exempts you from needing an HQL
If you want to buy a C&R handgun, using the Fed license, you need to buy out of state.

rseymorejr · Nov 10, 2014

jkeiler said:
I agree it would be a good place to start. There is risk in anything. If you talk to anti's they frequently cite not being against "guns" but "assault weapons." Even anti's are not so against collectors after historic firearms.

Don't you believe it.
The "C&R loophole" will be the next big battle cry if we push this. Their ignorance is the only real weapon we have, sometimes/

Threeband · Nov 10, 2014

"Assault Weapons" are only a step towards a much bigger goal: banning ALL handguns.

They've been trying to ban handguns for over 100 years.

The Brady Nuts, and other Anti groups used to mainly focus on handguns. It was easy to get hunters to agree that handguns had no legitimate sporting purpose.

Only in the late 1980s did their focus begin to shift to "assault weapons".

They will not see old Tokarevs and P38s as being somehow "warm and cuddly". They will see worn out old weapons of war, with no target sights, whose only possible use is to hold up 7-11s.

Also they think gun collectors are dangerous, creepy nut jobs. They honestly have more sympathy for sex offenders than they do for gun collectors, at least they fear them less, and understand them better.

Go back and re-read this one more time.

In Their Own Words; A Blueprint to Ban Handguns by Joe Curran

They don't really care about "assault rifles", at least the smart ones don't. They just think "Assault Rifles" are low-hanging fruit (and I think they're baffled that they can't ban those ). Banning handguns is a much, much bigger goal for them.

ddeanjohnson · Nov 10, 2014

No

rmiddle said:
Pretty certain C&R was address in 281. Pretty certain you can buy a handgun that is more then 99 years old newer then that requires an HQL. So you might not require to go though an FFL to buy an WWII relic you would need an HQL unless it was at least 99 years old.
Thanks Robert

Both parts of that are wrong.

There is no "99 years old" rule. A firearm manufactured before 1899 is an "antique" under both federal and state law and is not regulated for transfer purposes. The pertinent date is the date that the frame/receiver was manufactured. There are also some other categories of "antique" not pertinent to the current discussion.

Transfer across state lines of a firearm manufactured in 1899 or later must be done in conformance with both federal law (which differs for handguns and long guns), and state requirements (which differ from state to state).

Purchase by a Maryland resident of a "World War II" handgun from a Maryland dealer is subject to all of the requirements that govern transfer of any other post-1898 handgun (waiting period, etc.), EXCEPT that the HQL is NOT required, because handguns that qualify for C&R status under federal law were explicitly exempted in the text of the 2013 Maryland law. This statement is true whether or not the buyer holds a C&R. The exemption applies to the class of C&R-eligible firearms, not to the class of buyers.

mac1_131 · Nov 10, 2014

rseymorejr said:
Don't you believe it.
The "C&R loophole" will be the next big battle cry if we push this. Their ignorance is the only real weapon we have, sometimes/

^^^^^^^
This

Leave it alone. Its just not that hard to go to VA or PA or the internet.

Lou45 · Nov 11, 2014

rmiddle said:
Pretty certain C&R was address in 281. Pretty certain you can buy a handgun that is more then 99 years old newer then that requires an HQL. So you might not require to go though an FFL to buy an WWII relic you would need an HQL unless it was at least 99 years old.

Thanks
Robert

He ^^^ musta' been watching an episode of "Get Smart" last night and has a thing for Agent 99 or just heard 99 nerf balloons.

ddeanjohnson said:
Both parts of that are wrong.

There is no "99 years old" rule. A firearm manufactured before 1899 is an "antique" under both federal and state law and is not regulated for transfer purposes. The pertinent date is the date that the frame/receiver was manufactured. There are also some other categories of "antique" not pertinent to the current discussion.

Transfer across state lines of a firearm manufactured in 1899 or later must be done in conformance with both federal law (which differs for handguns and long guns), and state requirements (which differ from state to state).

Purchase by a Maryland resident of a "World War II" handgun from a Maryland dealer is subject to all of the requirements that govern transfer of any other post-1898 handgun (waiting period, etc.), EXCEPT that the HQL is NOT required, because handguns that qualify for C&R status under federal law were explicitly exempted in the text of the 2013 Maryland law. This statement is true whether or not the buyer holds a C&R. The exemption applies to the class of C&R-eligible firearms, not to the class of buyers.

THIS ^^^.

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