Federal Punch .22lr “defense ammo”

Off_paper · Dec 11, 2021

Everytime I hear someone mention 22lr for defense it makes me think of The Wire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8zavPW3Bus&t=1m36s

Wouldn't be my first choice, but if it's all you've got...

ohen cepel · Dec 11, 2021

Not my 1st choice, but back in the day I carried a Beretta 21a in my back pocket (lived in America then) as a backup.

These could also be an interesting game round for certain things IF the accuracy is there.

Uncle Duke · Dec 11, 2021

Unlikely to be the first choice of most here. But if by physical affliction, or by necessity, or if by desire to shoot .22 over anything else? And if these or any other potential reasons why, amount in fact to the actual exclusion of anything else?

A gun that's actually handled and fired regularly stands a whole lot better chance of being shot comparatively well at least, as opposed to the 9 or 45 that last left a nightstand drawer during the Reagan administration.

So not great, but perhaps arguably better. That may be where the quest for the best possible choice of less than ideal ammo to stuff into a .22LR comes into play.

joppaj · Dec 11, 2021

Before I owned a shotgun, I owned a 10/22. Back then the only mags Ruger sold were 10-round and the Butler Creek extended were notoriously unreliable. I kept a few mags loaded with mini-mags figuring it was better inside my house than the British .303 I owned as my only other long gun.

Squaregrouper · Dec 11, 2021

joppaj said:
Before I owned a shotgun, I owned a 10/22. Back then the only mags Ruger sold were 10-round and the Butler Creek extended were notoriously unreliable. I kept a few mags loaded with mini-mags figuring it was better inside my house than the British .303 I owned as my only other long gun.

A 10/22 with a BX25 filled with Mini Mags would be pretty brutal considering how fast accurate follow up shots would be.

joppaj · Dec 11, 2021

squaregrouper said:
A 10/22 with a BX25 filled with Mini Mags would be pretty brutal considering how fast accurate follow up shots would be.

As Teratos noted, it isn't likely to force a dedicated attacker to stop. It simply isn't likely to reach the CNS. That said, I felt the same way that I could likely keep everything between the collarbone and the belly button at inside distances. The BX25 would have made me feel a lot better.

joecannoles · Dec 15, 2021

I haven't killed anything but paper with them so far, but they work well, and shoot true out of my Beretta and Walther. For what it's worth, 22Plinkster has a review of it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl1HUMt5UpM

alucard0822 · Dec 15, 2021

joppaj said:
Before I owned a shotgun, I owned a 10/22. Back then the only mags Ruger sold were 10-round and the Butler Creek extended were notoriously unreliable. I kept a few mags loaded with mini-mags figuring it was better inside my house than the British .303 I owned as my only other long gun.

IMO 303 all day long, that caliber took over the planet, vs a caliber that has kept hillbillies fed for generations.

Of course most any centerfire caliber will have far superior performance to 22, but if for whatever reason a 22 is all you can use, a 29gr solid at 1650 is probably the worst for reliability. Would opt for something like a 40gr minimag (1250FPS), FAR fewer reliability issues in most guns, similar penetration. 22 in handguns is pretty awful, where at least in a rifle barrel it can build enough velocity to penetrate, there really isn't much hope in a handgun barrel. 22 basically relies on an attacker noticing they are hit, and choosing to stop, there are plenty of cases where neither happened, even if they did end up dropping dead later on. Of course at the end of the day there are a lot of people defending themselves with 22s and birdshot, it's better than nothing, but we wouldn't be gun people if we didn't at least recommend better.

gtodave · Dec 15, 2021

smigit2002 said:
Everytime I hear someone mention 22lr for defense it makes me think of The Wire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8zavPW3Bus&t=1m36s

Wouldn't be my first choice, but if it's all you've got...

I've seen that scene numerous times, and I can still only make out about 3 words.

MADad · Dec 15, 2021

The .22LR was (and maybe still is?) the CIA’s assassination caliber of choice for many years.

Boats · Dec 15, 2021

The majority of gunshot fatalities I've treated have been with .22

Granted, it is not a one shot stopper, but then again few handguns are. 22 has the uncanny ability to do a massive amount of damage. Additionally, EMS often overlooks the entry and exit holes which delays appropriate medical care.

So, I believe a lot of answers here are correct. I wouldnt choose it as a defense piece, but it is better than nothing. It isn't a one shot stopper, but the ability to put a massive amount of lead down range quickly and accurately with little to no recoil can make up for that. And considering that I have personally seen DOAs come in with a single close range .22 wound does say something

Doc TH · Dec 15, 2021

22lr

1) There are no "jacketed" 22lr cartridges.
2) Ask the Mossad or Israeli sky marshal Mordecai Rachamim if the 22lr is effective against malefactors.

alucard0822 · Dec 15, 2021

Big difference IMO between a single aimed shot on an unsuspecting victim vs stopping an attacker. I know a few LEOs that dispatch large game animals with 22s, quick quiet shot to the base of the neck, doesn't mean it's a great hunting caliber, because, well physics. Figure Federal is marketing their new ammo to grannies and new shooters that don't have anything better, not necessarily to Sicarios and Mossad.

Occam · Dec 15, 2021

MADad said:
The .22LR was (and maybe still is?) the CIA’s assassination caliber of choice for many years.

Entirely different use case, bs self defense.

A pro can put one not only in the meat computer, but in the circuit breaker zone. An assassin’s 22 into the lizard brain firmware that keeps you breathing and channels all your motor operations: very different than shooting under stress at someone coming at you.

Doctor_M · Dec 15, 2021

gtodave said:
I've seen that scene numerous times, and I can still only make out about 3 words.

I have never seen any of the wire and that was the first clip I have seen... what language was that??? Seriously.

joppaj · Dec 15, 2021

gtodave said:
I've seen that scene numerous times, and I can still only make out about 3 words.

Doctor_M said:
I have never seen any of the wire and that was the first clip I have seen... what language was that??? Seriously.

The Wire was the best documentary ever made about Baltimore.

teratos · Dec 15, 2021

joppaj said:
The Wire was the best documentary ever made about Baltimore.

Truth.

I watched the series well after it wrapped up. Interestingly, I was on set several times seeing cast and crew. My group does housecalls when Hollywood comes to town. They pay really well.

Darkemp · Dec 15, 2021

teratos said:
Truth.

I watched the series well after it wrapped up. Interestingly, I was on set several times seeing cast and crew. My group does housecalls when Hollywood comes to town. They pay really well.

One of the best series ever, it captures the essence of Baltimore in so many ways. Hollywood has richly rewarded the careers of the cast as well, they were all outstanding. It’s an injustice the cast, crew, and writers were ignored for major awards, it would have been well deserved.

Biggfoot44 · Dec 15, 2021

No , I don't want to get shot by a Daisy BB Gun, so that's not a useful standard of SD effectiveness .

Notwithstanding Israeli Intelligence and Security Agencies , and people here with severe disabilities , is .22lr from small handgun a viable/ rational / other than stupid or misguided option for SD ? Only in direct comparison to .25 acp .

Despite the fact that they're misguided , a significant number of people feel otherwise , either deliberately , or because they only own one handgun and it's .22lr .

A smaller but economically significant number of those realize it would be a seemingly good idea to use ammunition optimized for SD .

Federal is freaking Brilliant ! They are out in front to dominate a catagory they essentially created . And they can advertise and promote it Without lying .

And you have to admire Federal's effort on this one . A 29gr Flat Point is Not an obvious or intuitive approach . When T/C style bullets in .22lr were tried already , the results weren't terrible, they were middling compared to competing offerings . Federal had to have tried a crap ton of approaches before finding this one , which is indeed " better" in that it gives about an inch of more penetration .

But , in my best Paul Harrell voice , " Is it enough difference to make a difference ? " ? Not really . Regular 40gr RN already gives plenty enough penetration that it's not the limiting factor .

KRC · Dec 16, 2021

Wifey's 22LR 10-shot mag is loaded with alternating rounds of HP's and solids (all HV). Maybe mix in a few of these Federals?

I remember taking BabyMomma to a gun store to try to get her interested in shooting and self-defense. She was interested in and handled a pretty, rose colored wood gripped stainless LadySmith. When the moron behind the counter was told the application included self-defense, he reached up and grabbed a big, black tactical 12-bore and loudly racked the slide several times. She left the store.

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