Received letter today from BATFE regarding purchase from Diversified Machine

ToolAA · Dec 29, 2021

I figured I would post this here to see if anyone else has received one of these letters recently from BATFE. I realize this is in open forum but my intention is to at least help others be aware of the situation.

U.S. Department of Justice

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives

1155 Brewery Park Boulevard, Suite 300
Detroit, Michigan 48207

December 8, 2021

Diversified Machine Customer,
WARNING NOTICE

YOU MAY BE IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is responsible for enforcing Federal firearms
laws. ATF has received information that you have acquired, or have attempted to acquire, one or more silencer
kits/silencers or silencer parts from Diversified Machine/ https://diversified.machine.us, which have been determined to be silencers, none of which are registered to you in the National Firearms Registration and
Transfer Record (NFRTR) as required by the National Firearms Act (NFA), Title 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53.

This letter officially notifies you that it is a felony violation of Federal law to possess a.silencer that is not
registered to you and that any silencer devices that are unlawfully possessed are subject to seizure and
forfeiture by the Federal government. Possession of any of the unregistered silencer devices could result in
prosecution for criminal violations of Federal law as well as potential State violations. Any future purchase

or possession of such devices can subject you to prosecution as well.
The Gun Control Act, Title 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(24) defines the term “silencer” as:

“any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any
combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a
firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.”

Title 26 U.S.C. Sections 5845(a)(7) & 5861(d) make it unlawful for anyone to possess a silencer as defined in
Title 18 U.S.C. Section 921 that is not registered in accordance with the provisions of the NFA. Therefore, you
cannot lawfully possess a silencer without first being a special occupational taxpayer and having the silencer
registered in the NFRTR.

Immediately contact your local ATF office at within 30 days of receipt of this letter to coordinate the
abandonment of any silencers. Any future purchase or possession of such devices can subject you to
prosecution as well.

Keith Krolczyk
Acting Special Agent in Charge

For the record I did purchase parts from Diversified Machine to complete a Form 1 suppressor. Once I received my stamp sometime in 2017 I ordered the parts. I had the tube Engraved at a local dealer and finished my assembly thereafter. All done totally by the book.

I’m just trying to figure out the best method to respond. Send them a copy of my stamp and a photo of the suppressor? I guess if I need to pay my lawyer to send an official letter I could if it seems like it’s worth it.

Edit 12/30/21

I’ve decided I’m going to reach out to an attorney and see if crafting simple response letter makes sense. If anyone else who is a member here in good community standing, and has received one of these letters AND had the proper NFA authorization to own these parts, pm me and we’ll chat response strategy in private.

Bertfish · Dec 29, 2021

What response? You have a legally finished Form 1 cab. They can suck it

Doctor_M · Dec 29, 2021

Yikes. Glad you did things by the book, and it sucks that you are being harassed. ATF is out of control.

Bertfish · Dec 29, 2021

For the record this is why cash is king with firearms etc

Undoubtedly they seized records from DM and are using them to hassle people

Don't those assholes have better things to do?

Bertfish · Dec 29, 2021

Doctor_M said:
Yikes. Glad you did things by the book, and it sucks that you are being harassed. ATF is out of control.

Even if he hadn't what would they do?

We know you have this!!

Nope I threw it in the scrap when I heard you all fvcked Diversified over. And since it hadn't been assembled or drilled it wasn't a suppressor and was disposed of as scrap metal.

Prove it!!

No

whistlersmother · Dec 29, 2021

Bertfish said:
For the record this is why cash is king with firearms etc

Undoubtedly they seized records from DM and are using them to hassle people

Don't those assholes have better things to do?

My guess is the fat-ass in charge of DM isn't doing due diligence. A simple cross-reference with purchase records and stamps should clear up anyone above board.

But its easier just to blanket send a letter and report up the chain that action is being taken.

Probably too much porn to watch to actually walk down the hall to get stamp information.

Besides, they ran out of women and children to burn to death.

rseymorejr · Dec 29, 2021

That's a fishing letter. Trying to get suckers to incriminate themselves.

theNOTORIOUSmo · Dec 30, 2021

Got mine this afternoon. Came here to see how many others got one too.

I'm ignoring it as everything I did is legal and it just seems like they are just fishing. If the ATF would of spent 2 seconds just looking into who the sent these letters too, they would of found most are already in there system as responsible persons on trusts... probably saved quite a bit of our money on all that fedex postage and labor mailing all that shit out. But I guess that is less money out of their budget to spend trying to screw us over another way.

I better make sure my dog doesn't run up to the door barking for the next few weeks now when someone knocks.

traveller · Dec 30, 2021

ToolAA said:
For the record I did purchase parts from Diversified Machine to complete a Form 1 suppressor. Once I received my stamp sometime in 2017 I ordered the parts. I had the tube Engraved at a local dealer and finished my assembly thereafter. All done totally by the book.

Is the suppressor in your name or in a trust ?

Looks like a form letter sent out to everyone in DMs customer database. I doubt they are gearing up to kick down the door of every person on that list. If they start addressing the letter to you personally and inquire on the wherabouts of a particular machined part you ordered, I would grace them with a reply.

Johnconlee · Dec 30, 2021

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teratos · Dec 30, 2021

ToolAA said:
I figured I would post this here to see if anyone else has received one of these letters recently from BATFE. I realize this is in open forum but my intention is to at lease help others be aware of the situation.

For the record I did purchase parts from Diversified Machine to complete a Form 1 suppressor. Once I received my stamp sometime in 2017 I ordered the parts. I had the tube Engraved at a local dealer and finished my assembly thereafter. All done totally by the book.

I’m just trying to figure out the best method to respond. Send them a copy of my stamp and a photo of the suppressor? I guess if I need to pay my lawyer to send an official letter I could if it seems like it’s worth it.

I wouldn’t respond. You have not broken any laws. In fact, you did everything legally. You have nothing to prove. Ask for a warrant.

teratos · Dec 30, 2021

ToolAA said:
I figured I would post this here to see if anyone else has received one of these letters recently from BATFE. I realize this is in open forum but my intention is to at lease help others be aware of the situation.

For the record I did purchase parts from Diversified Machine to complete a Form 1 suppressor. Once I received my stamp sometime in 2017 I ordered the parts. I had the tube Engraved at a local dealer and finished my assembly thereafter. All done totally by the book.

I’m just trying to figure out the best method to respond. Send them a copy of my stamp and a photo of the suppressor? I guess if I need to pay my lawyer to send an official letter I could if it seems like it’s worth it.

I wouldn’t respond. You have not broken any laws. In fact, you did everything legally. You have nothing to prove. Ask for a warrant before showing anything. The only questions I would have for Keith is if he will cup my doo dads and not use teeth.

Silverlax · Dec 30, 2021

Personally, I might touch base with a lawyer. Reason being if the Batfe determined the kit was a silencer (before sale and purchase) it would require a form 4 to transfer and diversified would be the manufacturer (as opposed to you with a form 1). Not legal advice, but just a thought.

outrider58 · Dec 30, 2021

teratos said:
I wouldn’t respond. You have not broken any laws. In fact, you did everything legally. You have nothing to prove. Ask for a warrant.

teratos said:
I wouldn’t respond. You have not broken any laws. In fact, you did everything legally. You have nothing to prove. Ask for a warrant before showing anything. The only questions I would have for Keith is if he will cup my doo dads and not use teeth.

Ditto

Ditto

woodline · Dec 30, 2021

Here is my suspicion:

1.) some gangbangers or DREADED WHITE IDENTITY TERRORISTS OF DOOM were arrested and illegal unregistered suppressors made from form 1 kits were found in their possession.

2.) AFT got a judge worked up enough to sign a warrant for them to seize customer lists from various form 1 manufacturers. In addition they did the thing where they confiscated assets and you have to use an expensive lawyer to get your stuff back, except it will take years and I sure hope none of this is used for your day to day livelihood.

3.) The customer lists led to **** all that even the most 2A averse judge will sign off on arrest warrants for, so now the AFT is “doing something” by sending out warning letters after maybe comparing customer lists to the NFA registry (but probably not).

4.) they used FEDEX because USPS sucks and they know it. As evidenced by at least two of my tax stamps getting lost in the mail by USPS.

5.) they have now spent hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to shut down like two form 1 websites and FedEx letters containing misspellings of certain websites to lord knows how many people, probably 99.9% of whom have broken no laws.

6.) I hope a bunch of wealthy folk get together and sue the ATF so my wasted tax money at least goes back to private citizens.

woodline · Dec 30, 2021

eruby · Dec 30, 2021

Dear BATFE,

Thank you for your letter in re Diversified Machine.

I do not break the law.

Now go home and get your f&cking shinebox.

Best,

eruby

p. s. Please consider killing yourselves.

Kman · Dec 30, 2021

Your next step

rbird7282 · Dec 30, 2021

eruby said:
Dear BATFE,

Thank you for your letter in re Diversified Machine.

I do not break the law.

Now go home and get your f&cking shinebox.

Best,

eruby

p. s. Please consider killing yourselves.

Winner!

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

ToolAA · Dec 30, 2021

traveller said:
Is the suppressor in your name or in a trust ?

Looks like a form letter sent out to everyone in DMs customer database. I doubt they are gearing up to kick down the door of every person on that list. If they start addressing the letter to you personally and inquire on the wherabouts of a particular machined part you ordered, I would grace them with a reply.

It was in a Trust. I actually filed it online the night before the June 2016 cutoff. Waited more than a year for the stamps. The trust is in my name and my home address so it should have been pretty easy to verify that I am legit. However, as others have stated this is a form letter sent out using a database generated mailing list.

Many years ago I had a similar problem. I purchased a AMTEL chip programmer which were commonly used to pirate DirectTV. The company I purchased from was raided by the FBI and shut down. About a year later I got some serious threatening legal letter from DTV’s law firm. Thing is, we were using this legally to program access cards for work. I was personally also a paying Direct TV customer, including the premium NFL, and HBO package. I did send them a letter stating I was a DTV customer and I didn’t appreciate being hassled or threatened like this.

I’m not sure how that would work with BATFE….

Received letter today from BATFE regarding purchase from Diversified Machine

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