AG Garland Coming After Dealers and Importers

Rocinante · Jan 3, 2022

Comment period starts 1/4/2022.
Long story short, AG Garland wants to mandate that all FFLs that sell to "non-licensed individuals" must either provide gunlocks to the public, and keep gun locks on all firearm products or secure firearms inside a safe or lockbox.
There is also a rather confusing provision to change the definition of "antique firearm" that doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

https://www.federalregister.gov/pub...gun-storage-and-definition-of-antique-firearm

Xshot · Jan 3, 2022

Rocinante said:
Comment period starts 1/4/2022.
Long story short, AG Garland wants to mandate that all FFLs that sell to "non-licensed individuals" must either provide gunlocks to the public, and keep gun locks on all firearm products or secure firearms inside a safe or lockbox.
There is also a rather confusing provision to change the definition of "antique firearm" that doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

https://www.federalregister.gov/pub...gun-storage-and-definition-of-antique-firearm

So scary

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Allen65 · Jan 3, 2022

Rocinante said:
Comment period starts 1/4/2022.
Long story short, AG Garland wants to mandate that all FFLs that sell to "non-licensed individuals" must either provide gunlocks to the public, and keep gun locks on all firearm products or secure firearms inside a safe or lockbox.

https://www.federalregister.gov/pub...gun-storage-and-definition-of-antique-firearm

It doesn't actually require they provide or use locks or secure storage, only that they have them available. It's pretty innocuous, certainly by ATF standards.

Growler215 · Jan 3, 2022

Sounds like legislating vice interpreting laws.

tall.guy88 · Jan 3, 2022

Man I can’t wait for the midterms.

adit · Jan 4, 2022

Attached from the Federal Register.

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2021-28398.pdf

welder516 · Jan 4, 2022

That guy is the most dangerous person in modern times, and there are many in this day and age.

Edit : I also feel they already know they are going to lose power in several months and want to ram us dry because they can. They are evil people that are power hungry

Sirex · Jan 4, 2022

So, now black powder revolvers will have to go thru a FFL, and potentially require a HQL? Wow

Alea Jacta Est · Jan 4, 2022

Sumb1tch won’t be happy until there’s blood in the streets

ChannelCat · Jan 4, 2022

tall.guy88 said:
Man I can’t wait for the midterms.

It may not do any good of FU Schumer gets his way with the Senate filibuster thing which will pave the way for that "Democrats can now perpetually cheat" election bill that they are frothing at the mouths to shove down the people's throats....

Melnic · Jan 4, 2022

SOO much time wasted in this administration NOT going after the REAL problems.

herkybird72 · Jan 4, 2022

Thank God every day that this Tool never got on SCOTUS

adit · Jan 4, 2022

herkybird72 said:
Thank God every day that this Tool never got on SCOTUS

He's not dead yet.

delaware_export · Jan 4, 2022

Regardless of anything else.. thanks to McConnell and tRump!

lazarus · Jan 4, 2022

Sirex said:
So, now black powder revolvers will have to go thru a FFL, and potentially require a HQL? Wow

If it can be readily converted to cartridge firing with just a cylinder swap, yeah, that’s what it sounds like.

jcutonilli · Jan 4, 2022

Rocinante said:
Comment period starts 1/4/2022.
Long story short, AG Garland wants to mandate that all FFLs that sell to "non-licensed individuals" must either provide gunlocks to the public, and keep gun locks on all firearm products or secure firearms inside a safe or lockbox.
There is also a rather confusing provision to change the definition of "antique firearm" that doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

https://www.federalregister.gov/pub...gun-storage-and-definition-of-antique-firearm

This appears to be a routine change to the CFR based on changes to the underlying laws. What is unusual is the time frame. The law apparently was changed over 20 years ago. The NPRM was proposed over 5 years ago along with the comment period. The referenced notice is simply them publishing the final rule 5+ years after the comment period and 20+ years after the law was changed.

Growler215 · Jan 4, 2022

Growler215 said:
Sounds like legislating vice interpreting laws.

After reading this, I withdraw my previous comment (quoted above). The text hadn't been published when I made this comment.

Dispite my feeling about the AG and the Justice Dept, this seems like a reasonably straightforward implementation of duly approved legislation.

Silly legislation to be sure, but that's another debate.

Mike OTDP · Jan 4, 2022

lazarus said:
If it can be readily converted to cartridge firing with just a cylinder swap, yeah, that’s what it sounds like.

I'm not so sure...and I suspect they are sticking their heads into a hornet's nest if they try to interpert it that way. But you can't tell with this bunch. I will say that nobody in the muzzle-loading community has said a word about it.

camo556 · Jan 5, 2022

Based on the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999.

Just getting a round to amending the regs now? Oh yeah we had this thing we forgot about under Obama? lolwut?

lazarus · Jan 5, 2022

Mike OTDP said:
I'm not so sure...and I suspect they are sticking their heads into a hornet's nest if they try to interpert it that way. But you can't tell with this bunch. I will say that nobody in the muzzle-loading community has said a word about it.

My reading is it certainly doesn't touch on most muzzleloaders. It really just tweaks the language on replicas of antiques, not really adjusting language on the muzzleloader part.

Likely to avoid things (granted it was an underlying law change this is conforming to) that if your replica of an antique uses NON-metallic cartridges, it would not be considered an antique under the law. Probably heading off things like 100% polymer cased ammo.

But the language in the regulatory change does make specific note on the ease of converting a ML to centerfire being key to whether it is considered a firearm, or an antique under the law.

And it calls out a barrel swap or cylinder swap as being considered readily convertible. Unless I've missed something, most ML revolvers where conversion cylinders exist, it is just swapping the cylinder. ATF might not suddenly start cracking down on this practice, but it sounds like they are alerting everyone they will be.

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