- Dec 27, 2012
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Einstein ain't no dummy
If the ATF comes knocking on your door
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Einstein ain't no dummy
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That's a good enough endorsement for me.
buellsfurn
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MS I don't think Karen likes you
cstone
Active Member
Sure agent, you can come in and have a seat. I'd like to share my testimony about my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. So sit back, relax, and shut up, because I will be talking for a while. If you don't have the time to listen, leave!
Years ago, I had a young officer stop at my house around 1 AM. It must have been the one and only time that I failed in my nightly routine of closing and locking all entrances to my home before going to bed. So I answered the door, after looking through the window and observing the marked police car in the street, and the officer at my door. I emptied my hands, turned on the porch light, and opened the interior door and slid down the screen on the screen door. I was appropriately attired in my boxers and a t-shirt. He mentioned that he stopped because my garage door was open. I thanked him and told him that I was not aware and that I would promptly close the garage door. He asked if he could come inside my house to make sure that everything was OK inside. I thanked him for his concern and assured him that everything was fine except for the open garage door and that I would take care of that promptly. He seemed to become agitated that I was not going to open the door and allow him to make a cursory sweep of my residence to insure my safety. I told him that everything was fine. I appreciate him stopping and letting me know about my garage door, but that he would not be entering my home that night or any other night without a warrant or exigent circumstances. I also shared with him that I had never heard of a burglar breaking into homes in just their underwear and then casually opening doors when uniformed police officers knocked on the door. In my experience most situations are exactly how they appear. A dark, quiet home, with a garage door open and a homeowner answering the front door in their skivvies, is probably not a felony in progress. I thanked him again for letting me know about the garage door, I closed the front door, and went over to the garage door and closed it. The next day, I contacted the patrol sergeant responsible for out neighborhood and shared my appreciation for the attentive service from the officer. Be polite, be firm, know your rights.
Be safe.
Years ago, I had a young officer stop at my house around 1 AM. It must have been the one and only time that I failed in my nightly routine of closing and locking all entrances to my home before going to bed. So I answered the door, after looking through the window and observing the marked police car in the street, and the officer at my door. I emptied my hands, turned on the porch light, and opened the interior door and slid down the screen on the screen door. I was appropriately attired in my boxers and a t-shirt. He mentioned that he stopped because my garage door was open. I thanked him and told him that I was not aware and that I would promptly close the garage door. He asked if he could come inside my house to make sure that everything was OK inside. I thanked him for his concern and assured him that everything was fine except for the open garage door and that I would take care of that promptly. He seemed to become agitated that I was not going to open the door and allow him to make a cursory sweep of my residence to insure my safety. I told him that everything was fine. I appreciate him stopping and letting me know about my garage door, but that he would not be entering my home that night or any other night without a warrant or exigent circumstances. I also shared with him that I had never heard of a burglar breaking into homes in just their underwear and then casually opening doors when uniformed police officers knocked on the door. In my experience most situations are exactly how they appear. A dark, quiet home, with a garage door open and a homeowner answering the front door in their skivvies, is probably not a felony in progress. I thanked him again for letting me know about the garage door, I closed the front door, and went over to the garage door and closed it. The next day, I contacted the patrol sergeant responsible for out neighborhood and shared my appreciation for the attentive service from the officer. Be polite, be firm, know your rights.
Be safe.
bigmancrisler
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hornbakerfella
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sgWHrkDX35o
Starting at the 38 second mark, “review the script”
For the not on Twitter
Starting at the 38 second mark, “review the script”
For the not on Twitter
drking2
Ultimate Member
If they come to my house, I will be polite, respectful and if they have a warrant they can look at what they want. Not much left after the boating accident, but they can look if that is the scope of the warrant. No warrant, no lookie simple as that. Reading now the P80 raid was based on info from Stamps.com and the credit card processor.
Tungsten
Ultimate Member
How long would a homeowner be given to read a warrant? Are they given a minute or two to read it? Is it just put in their hands as they are moved out of the way? How does that typically go?
daNattyFatty
Ultimate Member
Typically, the warrant is read after entry is made. If anyone thinks they’ll be given time to “inspect” the warrant before allowing entry is sadly mistaken.
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GuitarmanNick
Ultimate Member
I am thinking that agents of the ATF take the same oath as those of us that have served. If it means as much to them as it does to the majority of us and unconstitutional orders should not be followed, those that execute such orders are enemies of the people and will be resisted from within by patriots that are there for the right reasons.
Our agency and military personnel have been under an indoctrinational attack for years beginning under the Obozo administration. Some have not succumbed to the constant barrages of cultural BS and have remained strong in their commitment to the nation and it's people. Sadly, most agencies are filled with mindless drones that are not capable of independent thought and blindly follow directions without question or understanding of the consequences of their actions(or lack thereof which is more often the case).
The current actions of the ATF are unlawful and should be resisted. Suddenly, a citizen that in good faith, complied with the law when building his own firearm, is turned into a felon! This cannot be tolerated by a free society and if not stopped by the courts, should be stopped by the people!
Praying for all of the patriots that still believe in freedom. Looks like a rough ride ahead. Strap in and strap up!
Our agency and military personnel have been under an indoctrinational attack for years beginning under the Obozo administration. Some have not succumbed to the constant barrages of cultural BS and have remained strong in their commitment to the nation and it's people. Sadly, most agencies are filled with mindless drones that are not capable of independent thought and blindly follow directions without question or understanding of the consequences of their actions(or lack thereof which is more often the case).
The current actions of the ATF are unlawful and should be resisted. Suddenly, a citizen that in good faith, complied with the law when building his own firearm, is turned into a felon! This cannot be tolerated by a free society and if not stopped by the courts, should be stopped by the people!
Praying for all of the patriots that still believe in freedom. Looks like a rough ride ahead. Strap in and strap up!
1911msc
Member
ATF knocking
Jimmy Cirillos fellow officiers talked him into joining the NYPD Stakeout Squad by saying there would be no action. First night out he gets in fatal shooting and his CO gets on scene and excitedly asks, "you did identify yourselves did you not"? His famous answer was, "yes, but they may not have heard because of all the shooting".
Jimmy Cirillos fellow officiers talked him into joining the NYPD Stakeout Squad by saying there would be no action. First night out he gets in fatal shooting and his CO gets on scene and excitedly asks, "you did identify yourselves did you not"? His famous answer was, "yes, but they may not have heard because of all the shooting".
strapped
Active Member
Typically an unsigned copy of the warrant will be left with the homeowner AFTER the warrant is served. Also, many, if not most search warrants are going to be "sealed" so you will not even be able to see anything besides the sealing order.
basscat
Ultimate Member
- Jul 23, 2012
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If the warrant is unsigned then how is it even valid?
daNattyFatty
Ultimate Member
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
You go ahead and tell the ATF that you lost your firearms in a boating accident but you better have a police report that was filed within 72 hours of the loss from your local sheriff's department or whatever law enforcement agency you reported them to or...the next agency at your door will be either the Carroll county sheriff's department or the Maryland State Police and they will be a fixing silver bracelets to your wrists and you will be going to jail.
cstone
Active Member
Maryland only requires reporting for handguns and "assault weapons."
https://www.thetrace.org/2017/11/stolen-guns-reporting-requirements/
And I'm not telling the BATFE anything.
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
I'm pretty sure for now you wouldn't have to lie about your other firearms. They aren't on the hit list....yet...
JimB
Active Member
I’m old and tired of the crap. That is a step too far. I’m going down swinging.
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
I am 100 percent against removing people's gun rights due to "poor personal choices" However I am for criminal penalties so terrible that people might think twice before using a gun to commit a crime...10 years for brandishing in the commission of a crime (including implying), no early release. 25 years for discharging in the commission of a crime with no early release.50 years for shooting someone who survives, no early release, life in prison for shooting and killing someone during the commission of a crime, no chance of early release and death for killing someone with a gun if the shooting was pre meditated or multiple victims.
AND make all gun crimes federal offenses so these turn style state courts that refuse to prosecute gun crime would be by passed..
Im going to suppose that the Officer may have been concerned that a bad guy came in through the garage and was holding your wife at gunpoint while you were instructed to get rid of the cops. Maybe not, but my scenario is not out of the question.
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