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  • RobbieDigital

    Active Member
    Dec 29, 2016
    125
    Is it legal to carry a loaded Mossberg shockwave shotgun in the back of my SUV?

    I do have a CCW not sure if that makes a difference.
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,413
    Montgomery County
    Is it legal to carry a loaded Mossberg shockwave shotgun in the back of my SUV?

    I do have a CCW not sure if that makes a difference.

    Loaded or not, it's not legal in Baltimore or Rockville (and maybe one other grandfathered-from-preemption jurisdiction, I don't recall). So it might help if you mention where you're talking about.

    As for loaded: it can't be loaded if there's any way that you could be confused with being out hunting. Definitely naughty in MD.
     

    Not_an_outlaw

    Ultimate Member
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 26, 2013
    4,679
    Prince Frederick, MD
    Loaded or not, it's not legal in Baltimore or Rockville (and maybe one other grandfathered-from-preemption jurisdiction, I don't recall). So it might help if you mention where you're talking about.

    As for loaded: it can't be loaded if there's any way that you could be confused with being out hunting. Definitely naughty in MD.

    Can you explain why. If you have a CCW and the shock wave is a handgun, what is the specific issue?
     

    knastera

    Just another shooter
    May 6, 2013
    1,484
    Baltimore County
    Are your taking it from the vehicle with you when you leave it? If not, you are breaking the law. Unattended firearms, no matter how well secured, may not be left in an unattended vehicle in the People's Republic of Marylandistan.
     

    rbird7282

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    Dec 6, 2012
    18,725
    Columbia
    Are your taking it from the vehicle with you when you leave it? If not, you are breaking the law. Unattended firearms, no matter how well secured, may not be left in an unattended vehicle in the People's Republic of Marylandistan.



    False. There is nothing prohibiting someone from keeping an unloaded unregulated long gun in their vehicle.


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    Skipjacks

    Ultimate Member
    What if...asking for a friend....you had a shotgun in your car and had shells properly stored in a separate compartment like you are supposed to....and then found yourself in say....a riot in Baltimore City

    Can you combine the gun and ammo and legally protect yourself?
     

    RobbieDigital

    Active Member
    Dec 29, 2016
    125
    So I’m still unclear on the answer. I guess to answer a few questions I would primarily be in Anne Arundel county. I would be leaving it unattended in my vehicle also. No way I’m taking it in and out every time. I don’t remember what type of firearm the shockwave is considered, I think it had a seven day wait if I recall.
     

    basscat

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 23, 2012
    1,398
    So I’m still unclear on the answer. I guess to answer a few questions I would primarily be in Anne Arundel county. I would be leaving it unattended in my vehicle also. No way I’m taking it in and out every time. I don’t remember what type of firearm the shockwave is considered, I think it had a seven day wait if I recall.

    The Shockwave is considered a handgun in MD. All handgun laws apply.
     

    knastera

    Just another shooter
    May 6, 2013
    1,484
    Baltimore County
    False. There is nothing prohibiting someone from keeping an unloaded unregulated long gun in their vehicle.


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    True. The firearm the OP asked about is a handgun, not a long gun, so your statement is invalid. In Maryland, according to Maryland Annotated Code, Criminal Law, Title 4, Section 203, you are only allowed to transport an unloaded handgun to and from an authorized location such as a shooting range, a gun store, hunting, and formal / informal target practice. The moment that your get out of that vehicle on public land and leave the gun in the vehicle, you are no longer transporting it to the authorized location, and thus, you are breaking the law.

    Regarding long guns, since the police are there for protecting the public and not being experts in the law, if you have an unloaded AR in your trunk that is properly secured and an officer sees it while you are not on your way to an authorized activity or interstate transport, expect to go to jail. Risk it if you want. I'm not going to.
     

    knastera

    Just another shooter
    May 6, 2013
    1,484
    Baltimore County
    So I’m still unclear on the answer. I guess to answer a few questions I would primarily be in Anne Arundel county. I would be leaving it unattended in my vehicle also. No way I’m taking it in and out every time. I don’t remember what type of firearm the shockwave is considered, I think it had a seven day wait if I recall.



    In Maryland, the Shockwave is considered to be a handgun (I took a screen shot of the handgun roster). Don't leave it in your car.
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    Stoveman

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    Sep 2, 2013
    28,431
    Cuba on the Chesapeake
    True. The firearm the OP asked about is a handgun, not a long gun, so your statement is invalid. In Maryland, according to Maryland Annotated Code, Criminal Law, Title 4, Section 203, you are only allowed to transport an unloaded handgun to and from an authorized location such as a shooting range, a gun store, hunting, and formal / informal target practice. The moment that your get out of that vehicle on public land and leave the gun in the vehicle, you are no longer transporting it to the authorized location, and thus, you are breaking the law.

    Regarding long guns, since the police are there for protecting the public and not being experts in the law, if you have an unloaded AR in your trunk that is properly secured and an officer sees it while you are not on your way to an authorized activity or interstate transport, expect to go to jail. Risk it if you want. I'm not going to.


    IANAL but I can read, show me in 4-203 again where it is illegal for a permit holder to keep a loaded handgun in their vehicle.

    § 4-203.
    (a) (1) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a person may not:

    (i) wear, carry, or transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, on or about the person;

    (ii) wear, carry, or knowingly transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, in a vehicle traveling on a road or parking lot generally used by the public, highway, waterway, or airway of the State;

    (iii) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph while on public school property in the State; or

    (iv) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another person.

    (2) There is a rebuttable presumption that a person who transports a handgun under paragraph (1)(ii) of this subsection transports the handgun knowingly.

    (b) This section does not prohibit:

    (1) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person who is on active assignment engaged in law enforcement, is authorized at the time and under the circumstances to wear, carry, or transport the handgun as part of the person's official equipment, and is:

    (i) a law enforcement official of the United States, the State, or a county or city of the State;

    (ii) a member of the armed forces of the United States or of the National Guard on duty or traveling to or from duty;

    (iii) a law enforcement official of another state or subdivision of another state temporarily in this State on official business;

    (iv) a correctional officer or warden of a correctional facility in the State;

    (v) a sheriff or full-time assistant or deputy sheriff of the State; or

    (vi) a temporary or part-time sheriff's deputy;

    (2) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person to whom a permit to wear, carry, or transport the handgun has been issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article;

    (3) the carrying of a handgun on the person or in a vehicle while the person is transporting the handgun to or from the place of legal purchase or sale, or to or from a bona fide repair shop, or between bona fide residences of the person, or between the bona fide residence and place of business of the person, if the business is operated and owned substantially by the person if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

    (4) the wearing, carrying, or transporting by a person of a handgun used in connection with an organized military activity, a target shoot, formal or informal target practice, sport shooting event, hunting, a Department of Natural Resources-sponsored firearms and hunter safety class, trapping, or a dog obedience training class or show, while the person is engaged in, on the way to, or returning from that activity if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

    (5) the moving by a bona fide gun collector of part or all of the collector's gun collection from place to place for public or private exhibition if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

    (6) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person on real estate that the person owns or leases or where the person resides or within the confines of a business establishment that the person owns or leases;

    (7) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a supervisory employee:

    (i) in the course of employment;

    (ii) within the confines of the business establishment in which the supervisory employee is employed; and

    (iii) when so authorized by the owner or manager of the business establishment; or

    (8) the carrying or transporting of a signal pistol or other visual distress signal approved by the United States Coast Guard in a vessel on the waterways of the State or, if the signal pistol or other visual distress signal is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case, in a vehicle.
     

    Doobie

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 23, 2013
    1,777
    Earth
    This state is such a big, steaming, pile of . So if someone has a valid carry permit and goes somewhere like a court house etc where firearms are prohibited, I guess the firearm has to be left at home instead of in the vehicle? Is that correct?
     

    knastera

    Just another shooter
    May 6, 2013
    1,484
    Baltimore County
    IANAL but I can read, show me in 4-203 again where it is illegal for a permit holder to keep a loaded handgun in their vehicle.



    I didn't say it wasn't legal for a permit holder to have a loaded handgun in the vehicle while the owner of the gun is in the vehicle. That's the whole idea behind a permit, that you can have a loaded firearm with you. When you leave the firearm in the vehicle while you are not in it, you are neither wearing nor carrying it, you are transporting it, and you are subject to the same laws for legal transport as everyone else.
    e58fa0a48c070f318a54f1ab10306495.jpg
     

    knastera

    Just another shooter
    May 6, 2013
    1,484
    Baltimore County
    This state is such a big, steaming, pile of . So if someone has a valid carry permit and goes somewhere like a court house etc where firearms are prohibited, I guess the firearm has to be left at home instead of in the vehicle? Is that correct?



    Yes, that is correct. You are only allowed to transport an unloaded firearm to certain locations. You can't carry the gun in the court house, and once you leave it in your car unattended, you are transporting it. Taking the gun to a court house is not in the listed acceptable locations to transport a firearm to.
     

    Stoveman

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    Patriot Picket
    Sep 2, 2013
    28,431
    Cuba on the Chesapeake
    I didn't say it wasn't legal for a permit holder to have a loaded handgun in the vehicle while the owner of the gun is in the vehicle. That's the whole idea behind a permit, that you can have a loaded firearm with you. When you leave the firearm in the vehicle while you are not in it, you are neither wearing nor carrying it, you are transporting it, and you are subject to the same laws for legal transport as everyone else.
    e58fa0a48c070f318a54f1ab10306495.jpg



    Read the bolded portion of 4-203 again, paragraph (b) states This section does not prohibit and then skip down to (2) the wearing, carrying or transporting. If what you state is correct permit holders could only transport to the approved locations just like those who don't have a permit.

    Your screen shot is referring to those who do not have a permit.
     

    knastera

    Just another shooter
    May 6, 2013
    1,484
    Baltimore County
    You are only semi-correct, because a permit holder is allowed to wear or carry anywhere the permit states. When the permit holder is no longer wearing or carrying the the gun, that permit holder is subject to the exact same transportation laws as non-permit holders because he is transporting a firearm, not wearing or carrying it. Here is an example. I have an unrestricted permit. I can wear or carry anywhere in Maryland not prohibited by law. If I am on my way to teach an HQL or W&C class and I leave my gun bag with unloaded handguns I am not wearing or carrying in my car while I go into a store or restaurant, I am breaking the law because I am neither wearing nor carrying those guns. The permit only covers wearing or carrying. If you are not wearing or carrying the gun you are transporting it.

    Going back to the OP’s question... if he puts that Mossberg Shockwave in a backpack and he leaves his vehicle with the backpack, he is fine because the gun is being carried. The unattended Shockwave in the vehicle is not being worn or carried, therefore his permit does not impact the fact that he has transported that gun to a prohibited location.

    I don’t know how to make it more simple than that.
     

    knastera

    Just another shooter
    May 6, 2013
    1,484
    Baltimore County
    According to statute your permit allows you to wear, carry and transport, I can't make it any simpler than that.



    But when you are transporting, you are in the vehicle. If you leave the vehicle and you are not at an approved location, you are illegally transporting. Transporting means that your still have control of the firearms. You don't have control of them when you leave them unattended. The only transportation benefit a permit holder gets is he or she can transport anywhere for any reason. That does not mean they can leave unattended guns in their cars. I am certified to teach this stuff and I will never teach my students anything else unless I see specific written guidance stating that it is legal to leave an unattended firearm in a vehicle. It is a very bad choice to do so. I've seen you on here for years and I respect what you've contributed to this board, but in this case, you are absolutely wrong.
     

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