FFL transfer and integrated safety?

luckytrouble · May 25, 2011

Hi,
I just moved to Maryland and so far not liking all these restrictive gun laws at all! Anyways, can anyone recommend a dealer that can handle an internet order in Harford County? All the shops I have all said it would be 50.00 plus some MSP fee for a handgun 10.00 more I think.

Second, one of the dealers said that I would also have to pay for an "MD Required Intergrated Locking Device = $30.00 + tax" ! I told him it was a brand new in box Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44, and he said it didn't matter. Of course this is the first time I am ever hearing of this law so I contacted RUger and they sent me this link
http://www.ruger.com/safety/storageLocking.html
where is specifically states
"The State of Maryland has mandated that all pistols and revolvers manufactured on or after January 1, 2003 must have an “integrated mechanical safety device” to be legally available for sale in Maryland. As a result, beginning in 2004, newly designed and manufactured Ruger pistols will be equipped with internal locks."

The dealer has not replied so far--so I think he was just trying to rip me off some more? :mad54:

Anyways, I would appreciate any help--thanks

Phoenixsm · May 25, 2011

luckytrouble said:
Hi,
I just moved to Maryland and so far not liking all these restrictive gun laws at all! Anyways, can anyone recommend a dealer that can handle an internet order in Harford County? All the shops I have all said it would be 50.00 plus some MSP fee for a handgun 10.00 more I think.

Second, one of the dealers said that I would also have to pay for an "MD Required Intergrated Locking Device = $30.00 + tax" ! I told him it was a brand new in box Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44, and he said it didn't matter. Of course this is the first time I am ever hearing of this law so I contacted RUger and they sent me this link
http://www.ruger.com/safety/storageLocking.html
where is specifically states
"The State of Maryland has mandated that all pistols and revolvers manufactured on or after January 1, 2003 must have an “integrated mechanical safety device” to be legally available for sale in Maryland. As a result, beginning in 2004, newly designed and manufactured Ruger pistols will be equipped with internal locks."

The dealer has not replied so far--so I think he was just trying to rip me off some more?

Anyways, I would appreciate any help--thanks

Can't help you with a FFL in Harford county.

You will need to buy the safety device unless the pistol has one already. Many do not. I just acquired a Glock and had to buy the $20 version that the shop sold. The device is sized to the caliber of the handgun and can be reused with a future purchase of another handgun of the same caliber.

Markp · May 25, 2011

Welcome to Maryland...

Move out as soon as you can...

hodgepodge · May 25, 2011

lucky - Look at the Industry Partners section foa FFL in Harford County.
http://www.mdshooters.com/forumdisplay.php?f=106

MD does require an internal locking device, usually $20-30. But if the gun has one, it's not needed.

Welcome to Maryland.

Fester60 · May 25, 2011

As far as the lock goes they are correct. Some guns have an integral lock built in so they don't need the extra bore lock that you must buy. I believe Taurus revolvers have the built in lock, that's why they come with that little key. I didn't think Rugers have the built in lock, that's why you have to buy the bore lock.

As far as transfer price $50 is a little steep. Some places will do it for $20 plus the $10 for MSP bringing your total to $30 which is fair. "The Bank" gun and pawn in Havre de Grace gave me that transfer price recently on a gun purchased from Bud's Gun Shop online. Gun Connection in White Marsh also does $30 total transfers for members, but I don't think he will accept shipments from all online dealers because a lot of them mess stuff up that he doesn't want to get in legal trouble for or have to deal with. You have to make sure the gun is shipping with a fired shell casing also if it is a new gun.

Moving back to a state with reasonable laws might be a better option.

Norton · May 25, 2011

It's entirely possible that the gun already has an internal lock. Some of them do and some of them don't, depending on production date.

If it's a new-new gun and not new-old stock gun, it most likely already has it.

A quick search elsewhere suggests that guns made after 2006 have the locking mechanism in place.

Never rely upon any safety mechanism or mechanical device to justify unsafe or careless
handling of a firearm. When securing your revolver or to prevent unauthorized access,
you should rely first and foremost on the key-operated locking device supplied with
your revolver. (See Page 5.) However, for added security, and to comply with certain
state and local laws, your NEW MODEL BLACKHAWK® revolver also is
equipped with a manually operated internal lock. When actuated, this internal lock will
secure the hammer in the uncocked or “full down” position.

pop-gunner · May 25, 2011

These will work for a barrel up to 6in.
http://store.prairiearms.com/store/product/98711/OGL-44-44M-REVOLVER-LOCK-POLY/

Norton · May 25, 2011

pop-gunner said:
These will work for a barrel up to 6in.
http://store.prairiearms.com/store/product/98711/OGL-44-44M-REVOLVER-LOCK-POLY/

Is that one "approved"? I thought only the Omega branded locks were though I've never had to deal with this issue first hand.

Norton · May 25, 2011

It looks like the integral lock is hidden beneath the grip panels. Ask the seller to check.

mikec · May 25, 2011

pop-gunner said:
These will work for a barrel up to 6in.
http://store.prairiearms.com/store/product/98711/OGL-44-44M-REVOLVER-LOCK-POLY/

Here is the list of approved locks, doesn't look like that lock you linked to is on it.

http://www.mdsp.org/downloads/safety_devices.pdf

What is so foolish about the law is that once you leave the dealer, there is no requirement to keep the lock.

To the OP, I do think we hashed this out last year that the law does not require you to buy the lock from the dealer. If you can find one used, like on this forum, you can provide it. That is, if the gun doesn't come with an approved lock from the maker.

If the Ruger comes with a a lock, remind the dealer that MD uses Ruger's correct full name, Sturm Ruger on it's various lists, that MD does list the Ruger lock as approved.

luckytrouble · May 25, 2011

Thanks guys for all your help. After reading Ruger's website, it clearly states that all of their pistols now come with an internal lock after 2004 that meets Maryland's stupid requirement. And since this is a brand new pistol, it should be fine, and I will bring a copy of the webpage to the dealer so they can read it themselves. I do have to check to make sure it still has the fired case in it--the other one I bought out of state NIB had it so it should be there too. I will check out that pawn shop since it is a little closer to me than then Gun Connection. This state is getting as crazy as California!

Pirate · May 25, 2011

We are in Baltimore County not far from Harford County. Our transfer is $30 plus the $10 to the state. Our locks are $18.95. That is just a little over what we pay for them to cover the shipping. We can do the fired casing if it is needed. That fee is $35 but most Rugers come with the casing. I have not seen the locks built into the the Blackhawks yet so I would lean towards buying one of them.

Our price on a super blackhawk in 7.5 bbl is $531.95. We have pretty good prices. Please compare our price to your internet price with fees added before you order. We may very well be cheaper. The only thing added to our gun price would be the lock, app fee and tax.

We would love to have you as a customer either way you decide to go. Check some of my customer comments under industry partners. We aren't in business to rip off our customers. We value them to much.

Bob Jr.

mikec · May 25, 2011

This state is getting as crazy as California!

Not as bad. CA did away with all NFA toys, no mags over 10 rounds unless they were owned by you in the state before a certain date. Handgun makers must pay to keep guns on their approved list. You want an AR with a collapsible stock and a cool flash hider, legal in MD, totally illegal in CA. Yep it takes seven days for the paperwork, but once you know the rules, you laugh at them.

MD has the silly 1 regulated forearm in 30 days law, however search the forum and you will see that MD provides a legal way around it. "Designated Collector". Free, except the stamp and the time to get the form notarized.

Pirate · May 25, 2011

Feel free to send me any personal questions you may have including price quotes if you were looking for a different barrel length.

Norton · May 25, 2011

Pirate said:
The only thing added to our gun price would be the lock, app fee and tax.

Bob Jr.

Bob, if it already has the Ruger integral lock approved by MSP, why would he need to purchase an additional one?

pop-gunner · May 25, 2011

Looks like I posted a link to a non-approved lock.
At first glance I thought it was an Omega lock.

pop-gunner · May 25, 2011

Here is the new Super Blackhawk owners manual and page 7 shows the internal locking device. Might be worth a phone call to see if yours has this.

http://www.ruger.com/products/_manuals/blackhawk.pdf

luckytrouble · May 25, 2011

I saw this and read it straight from Ruger's website--it says "The State of Maryland has mandated that all pistols and revolvers manufactured on or after January 1, 2003 must have an “integrated mechanical safety device” to be legally available for sale in Maryland. As a result, beginning in 2004, newly designed and manufactured Ruger pistols will be equipped with internal locks." So this confirms it already meets Maryland's standard. I will just bring a copy to the dealer so they know ahead of time and it doesn't cause a hassle.

Pirate · May 25, 2011

If it has an integrated lock then of course he would not need to purchase one. That statement was meant towards a gun that comes in without one. I didn't mean it to sould like I sold them either way. I've just had more Ruger Revolvers without them with.

Norton · May 25, 2011

Pirate said:
If it has an integrated lock then of course he would not need to purchase one. That statement was meant towards a gun that comes in without one. I didn't mean it to sould like I sold them either way. I've just had more Ruger Revolvers without them with.

Thanks for the clarification. :thumbsup:

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