School sent police on welfare check because of meeting video

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  • Norton

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    You do understand that classroom teachers are mandatory reporters and that failure to report anything like this could back to bite them in the ass later?

    It is a crime to not report it, and it is immediate dismissal.

    I think this instance is ******** as much as the next person, but if you want it to stop you need to get the laws changed. People need to stop treating their kids' education as something that is hands off and outsourced.

    The school boards answer to the people of the community and when you are silent, you give your assent to what they do.

    Don't blame the classroom teacher for following the law.




    An absolutely outrageous violation of the Constitution, Police responding to a ridiculous non-credible complaint, and school officials and busybody know it all parents. This idiocy should have stopped at the initial call with NO PROBABLE CAUSE!! This country is run by over educated liberals with no concept of common sense or the real world.

    In addition they haven't a clue about their nation, its history, and its Constitution. Unfortunately the world is being run by these nuts because the average american is too lazy and too dumb to understand there is no such thing as credible news and the LAST place you will find it is social media and the internet. If they don't like something they just lie about it and trample the Constitution. It is ridiculous.
     

    teratos

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    You do understand that classroom teachers are mandatory reporters and that failure to report anything like this could back to bite them in the ass later?

    It is a crime to not report it, and it is immediate dismissal.

    I think this instance is ******** as much as the next person, but if you want it to stop you need to get the laws changed. People need to stop treating their kids' education as something that is hands off and outsourced.

    The school boards answer to the people of the community and when you are silent, you give your assent to what they do.

    Don't blame the classroom teacher for following the law.

    I guess a lawsuit may help change the policy.
     

    newmuzzleloader

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    Fox 45 did a teaser about this on the news a half hour ago. They're showing the full story tonight at 10. (Unless there are 2 of the same such events that happened last week)
     

    sparecaster

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    Fox 45 did a teaser about this on the news a half hour ago. They're showing the full story tonight at 10. (Unless there are 2 of the same such events that happened last week)

    Yes, that is our story. I was coming here to share this info. We are curious to see how they present it. Please tune in tonight at 10pm or whenever they air the Project Baltimore segment.

    We are pushing for policy change through the proper channels.
     

    OMCHamlin

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    I feel extremely violated and so does my son. Virtual learning may work well for you, but make sure nothing in your home offends anyone and you may spend the next couple of weeks circumventing the invasion and violation that I did today. My child and my home will no longer be subjected to video to allow room for any other violation of my rights and how I LEGALLY manage my home."

    You think you feel violated NOW, wait until the youngsters educated by this system grow up, become police officers and when they show up at your place, they'll confiscate those BB guns! They are not being educated, the youth of today are being indoctrinated, and groomed for their new socialist society.
     

    hosspower

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    OP - Just watched your story on Fox45. Your wife did a great job! I was telling my wife your story the other day after reading about it here. It is unbelievable. Why can't people use common sense? Even if the teacher is required to report it, the principal could have dealt with it by making a simple phone call to your wife.
     

    BurtonRW

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    I respectfully disagree with the suggestion that reporting to the police was somehow mandatory. Yes, there are many mandatory-reportable issues for public school personnel, and it's easy to understand why one of the sheeple would immediately panic and call the cops, but unless they had a reasonable suspicion that something was amiss (which they did not), a phone call to the parents would certainly have been in order vs. involving law enforcement or worse - CPS.



    -Rob
     

    CrueChief

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    I respectfully disagree with the suggestion that reporting to the police was somehow mandatory. Yes, there are many mandatory-reportable issues for public school personnel, and it's easy to understand why one of the sheeple would immediately panic and call the cops, but unless they had a reasonable suspicion that something was amiss (which they did not), a phone call to the parents would certainly have been in order vs. involving law enforcement or worse - CPS.



    -Rob

    Rob, what most of us forget is that people aren't allowed to think for themselves anymore. That is why there are "mandatory reporting" and "zero tolerance" policies around such things. It keeps the sheep in the space of "just following orders". Yes you would think or even hope that the teacher or some one at the school would have a good enough relationship with the family to first make a phone call or text or even drop an email, especially with the video lessons. But we have gotten so far away from that relationships are now very impersonal, which seems counter intuitive with social media but here we are.
     

    BurtonRW

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    Agreed, but I happen to be associate general counsel for a very large public school system and having discussed this situation with a couple of my colleagues, none of us were of the opinion that this was a mandatory reporting situation. We all agreed that a call to the parent would have been a much more reasonable first step.

    Whether anything was done that creates a legal cause of action for the victims here is another discussion entirely.

    -Rob


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    CrueChief

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    Agreed, but I happen to be associate general counsel for a very large public school system and having discussed this situation with a couple of my colleagues, none of us were of the opinion that this was a mandatory reporting situation. We all agreed that a call to the parent would have been a much more reasonable first step.

    Whether anything was done that creates a legal cause of action for the victims here is another discussion entirely.

    -Rob


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    Ok great then maybe you could help me with a question I have had for some time. Revolving around how far the "school" exists from the actual building as we have heard stories of kids getting trouble for playing with toy guns in their yards wait for the bus. So too with this situation, I didn't see the story on TV last night, but I imagine the teacher took the leap and concluded that the space the student was in to be an extension of the school and therefore must be a gun free zone.
     

    Norton

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    Agreed, but I happen to be associate general counsel for a very large public school system and having discussed this situation with a couple of my colleagues, none of us were of the opinion that this was a mandatory reporting situation. We all agreed that a call to the parent would have been a much more reasonable first step.

    Whether anything was done that creates a legal cause of action for the victims here is another discussion entirely.

    -Rob


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    Yeah, that sounds all well and good right until after the teacher overlooks it and the kid actually does something. You guys would hang the teacher out to dry in a heartbeat. Don't tell me otherwise.
     

    Art3

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    The story seems to be making the rounds on facebook, so that's good I guess :thumbsup:


    In the interest of consistency, I hope they are scrutinizing everyone's background for other items that are forbidden on "school property," like any sort of tobacco, vape, marijuana, or alcohol products, or any sort of clothing, signs, etc. advertising for such things. :innocent0 What happens when an underage girl stands up in shorter than dress code shorts, or has a lower than dress code cut top on? Will there be screenshots of that?
     

    ToolAA

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    The story seems to be making the rounds on facebook, so that's good I guess :thumbsup:


    In the interest of consistency, I hope they are scrutinizing everyone's background for other items that are forbidden on "school property," like any sort of tobacco, vape, marijuana, or alcohol products, or any sort of clothing, signs, etc. advertising for such things. :innocent0 What happens when an underage girl stands up in shorter than dress code shorts, or has a lower than dress code cut top on? Will there be screenshots of that?


    My wife teaches HS and tells her students to turn their video off if there is anything they wouldn’t want her to see “if they were at school”. All of her kids get the hint and have no problem complying. The whole thing is a big fustercluck. The kids know it, the teachers know it and the parents know it. She said she’s lucky if 50% of the kids were actually logging on.

    I asked her about the OP’s post and she said it’s very possible that other students saw the BB gun and may have commented about it during class. If that occurred the teachers hands would be tied and her/she would have to report it. I guess at the administration level it could and should have been handled differently, but most kids and teachers these days couldn’t tell the difference between a Daisy RR and a Ruger 10/22 from a distance.

    Still I feel bad for the OP it’s quite unfortunate and undignified to find yourself in a situation where you are asked to submit to child welfare complaint search. I would be furious too.
     

    Bob A

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    If this turns into a big lawsuit issue, I'd be willing to contribute to a gofundme, or directly to the parents.

    Despite all the "protectionism" built into the regulations, I view this as a massive over-reach.How many million children are being monitored, vs how many actual problematic situations might be prevented?
     

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