No legal way to purchase a firearm in DC
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if i is along gun you can buy it from anywhere in the US online and have it sent to an FFL in Maryland or virginia.
so whoever is selling the long gun you want does NOT have to be in the area, only the FFL should be (since you will need to go there twice, once to fill out the 219 form with them, and then you return in ~10 days with you DC registration to pick it up.
I bought my ruger mini from a seller in Missouri, had it sent to an FFL in Virginia and paid the FFL in Virginia about $35 for FFL fee.
seller doesn't even have to be an FFL since you have an FFL on the Virginia or Maryland end to receive.
I was looking at the state by state NICS numbers earlier today. For March, DC was at 700. I don't know if the NICS numbers are based on residency or where the check is run (i.e. only Sykes), but even if it is Sykes only, they have to be totally underwater with ~22 new registrations a day.
As much as they hate gun owners, the current system is unsustainable. Assuming they still want to register every gun (instead of a one-time FOID), they need to move to a FOID system plus time-of-purchase registration, similar to MD, where the HQL is your FOID and the registration is done at purchase with the 77r. Obviously that would be better for gun owners too, but for MPD it would relieve the majority of in-person transactions and the need to turn around registration cards.
As much as they hate gun owners, the current system is unsustainable. Assuming they still want to register every gun (instead of a one-time FOID), they need to move to a FOID system plus time-of-purchase registration, similar to MD, where the HQL is your FOID and the registration is done at purchase with the 77r. Obviously that would be better for gun owners too, but for MPD it would relieve the majority of in-person transactions and the need to turn around registration cards.
Kanly
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So with Sykes shut down (either temporarily or permanently) and if DC is not processing long guns for however long, then 2A is dead in DC.
I know SAF has been suing other places for closing gun shops during this time, maybe they can sue DC?
It's in the DC regs that if Sykes is no longer in business then the mayor "may" request that MPDC be the FFL for DC.
Can that be forced?
Or make Josh Sugarman be the go to FFL
IANAL but if Trump administration has now said gun stores, shooting ranges and manufacturers are "essential," then doesn't it follow that the means to register must also be essential?
I know SAF has been suing other places for closing gun shops during this time, maybe they can sue DC?
It's in the DC regs that if Sykes is no longer in business then the mayor "may" request that MPDC be the FFL for DC.
Can that be forced?
Or make Josh Sugarman be the go to FFL
IANAL but if Trump administration has now said gun stores, shooting ranges and manufacturers are "essential," then doesn't it follow that the means to register must also be essential?
If they are turning people away at the door and not processing registrations, they need to get sued. Now. The problem is that the statute allows them 60 days to process a registration. As recent as ~ Oct 2019 they were turning them around in 20 minutes for people with a previous registration on file (fingerprints and BI already on file). More recently according to reports on the forum, they have been taking weeks to issue a registration. Whether this is because of capacity or purposeful foot-dragging is left to speculation (I suspect the latter). Without more information than that Tweet, MPD very well could have just said thanks for your papers, we'll call you in 60-days. Still within their ******** laws, but I can see how it could be interpreted as registrations being "shut down." Amongst many of the ******** DC gun laws, that should be re/litigated. It's one thing for the court in Heller II(?) to allow the 10-day waiting period, but I suspect the result might be different if the true waiting period is 70-days.
It's in the DC regs that if Sykes is no longer in business then the mayor "may" request that MPDC be the FFL for DC.
Can that be forced?
Or make Josh Sugarman be the go to FFL
IANAL but if Trump administration has now said gun stores, shooting ranges and manufacturers are "essential," then doesn't it follow that the means to register must also be essential?
DC would probably have to be sued for their zoning laws again, they would drag that on, and then at the last moment open their Gov't run FFL to moot the case. Hopefully these sort of shenanigans can be brought to bear on the case on hold with SCOTUS to strike down the in-state FFL requirement for handgun transfers.
Tungsten
Ultimate Member
What about getting a c&r and having it delivered to your door
Sure. You'll have possession, but you still have to register it (eventually). I'll let other people opine on how long they have waited between receiving and registering a C&R. All of my C&R acquisitions have been through family, so I just haven't brought them in to DC out of an abundance of caution and battered gun owner syndrome until they were registered.
Kanly
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Hopefully not just Mance V. Whitaker goes the right way but all the other 2A cases that SCOTUS is holding.
BlueHeeler
Ultimate Member
C&R is my go to for DC registration. You have 48 hours to register. All you have to do is fill out the PD-219 and bring it to registration. You do not have to bring the firearm in anymore.
DC does not understand the 50 year rule so it can be a pain if something is not specifically listed on the ATF list. The onus is on you to prove something is C&R. I had a Zastava M57 Tokarev without a date code that I could not register because only the Russian TT33 is specifically listed and I could not prove the M57 is +50 years old.
IMHO C&R is the easiest way to go for DC registration.
The onus is on you to prove something is C&R. I had a Zastava M57 Tokarev without a date code that I could not register because only the Russian TT33 is specifically listed and I could not prove the M57 is +50 years old.
What did you do? Transfer it to Sykes and have him transfer it back to you? Silliness.
frogman68
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- Apr 7, 2013
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Seeing DC is no longer requiring registration of Long Guns
BlueHeeler
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I could not transfer it through Sykes even if I wanted to because it is not on any of the approved handgun lists.
I transferred it to my Dad in MD.
That tweet was in jest. You still have to register, they just aren’t doing registrations apparently. So for anyone without a firearm the 2A is dead currently in DC for anyone that wants to acquire one (legally).
Sirex
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What are the laws regarding antiques in DC? If you are looking to buy your first firearm, and this crisis has prompted you to look into getting one, I wonder if antiques are ok?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/863588581
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/854607558
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/863211374
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/863565963
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/863437835
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/862049399
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/863588581
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/854607558
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/863211374
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/863565963
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/863437835
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/862049399
frogman68
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- Apr 7, 2013
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Referring to this
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That is the one in jest. Look at what she is replying to. I can't imagine long guns are cash and carry and there have been no changes to the DC code or emergency legislation I can find. Possessing ammo would be illegal too unless you already had a registration.
Most not ok. Their definition excludes rimfire / centerfire conversions.
(3) “Antique firearm” means:
(A) Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percus- sion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and
(B) Any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica: (i) Is NOT designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center- fire fixed ammunition; or
(ii) Uses rimfire or conventional ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary chan- nels of commercial trade.
BlueHeeler
Ultimate Member
Antiques do not need to be registered HOWEVER DC defines antiques differently than most other people.
(3) “Antique firearm” means:
(A) Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and
(B) Any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica:
(i) Is not designed or redesigned for using rim-fire or conventional center-fire fixed ammunition; or
(ii) Uses rim-fire or conventional ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.
https://code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/titles/7/chapters/25/
Kanly
Active Member
Direct from Lt. Hall on whether they have stopped processing long guns, as claimed on social media:
"That's false information. We are still processing long guns."
It only took 24 hours for a response -- usually it is weeks or never lol.
But I do appreciate his quick refutation of false info.
Not sure who the twitter guy talked to.
"That's false information. We are still processing long guns."
It only took 24 hours for a response -- usually it is weeks or never lol.
But I do appreciate his quick refutation of false info.
Not sure who the twitter guy talked to.
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