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  • Magnumite

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 17, 2007
    6,573
    Harford County, Maryland
    If you are shooting lead bullets, the loads will be smokey and dirty. Much of the smoke you see is the wax vaporizing. If you are shooting very low pressure loads and lead bullets for caliber, it will be a dirty load - example, 2.7 grain BE with a lead wadcutter in 38 Special, 230 grain lead RN and 3.5 grains BE in 45 ACP. Increase the powder charge some and things get cleaner. Like tromping the accelerator in your car to ‘blow the carbon out”, higher temps and pressures burn cleaner. But the lead is still there, even in the primers, so the smoke and fouling will prevail. Want a real clean up job? Fire 100 rounds of primer powered rubber or plastic bullets from your favorite roscoe. Or just primers.

    Changing from lead to jacketed bullets in 38 Special and 45 ACP using Bullseye or Unique leaves a fairly clean gun as in, “I’ll clean it when?”. Those guns get lubed once or twice just about every range session so there is no maintenance neglect. Fouling and debris isn’t an issue as far as unnecessary cleanup goes when using jacketed bullets, though Unique does emit a little haze. Virtually all the excessive smoke is gone.

    Yes, I am like a modern Elmer Keith. Give me a pallet of Bullseye, Unique, 2400...and, I’m modern, H110...and I am happy. Experience has told me never change a winner.
     

    Melnic

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 27, 2012
    15,351
    HoCo
    If you are shooting lead bullets, the loads will be smokey and dirty. Much of the smoke you see is the wax vaporizing. If you are shooting very low pressure loads and lead bullets for caliber, it will be a dirty load - example, 2.7 grain BE with a lead wadcutter in 38 Special, 230 grain lead RN and 3.5 grains BE in 45 ACP. Increase the powder charge some and things get cleaner. Like tromping the accelerator in your car to ‘blow the carbon out”, higher temps and pressures burn cleaner. But the lead is still there, even in the primers, so the smoke and fouling will prevail. Want a real clean up job? Fire 100 rounds of primer powered rubber or plastic bullets from your favorite roscoe. Or just primers.

    Changing from lead to jacketed bullets in 38 Special and 45 ACP using Bullseye or Unique leaves a fairly clean gun as in, “I’ll clean it when?”. Those guns get lubed once or twice just about every range session so there is no maintenance neglect. Fouling and debris isn’t an issue as far as unnecessary cleanup goes when using jacketed bullets, though Unique does emit a little haze. Virtually all the excessive smoke is gone.

    Yes, I am like a modern Elmer Keith. Give me a pallet of Bullseye, Unique, 2400...and, I’m modern, H110...and I am happy. Experience has told me never change a winner.

    I"m shooting Powder coated cast.
    Right now I"ve been at 4.0gr Bullseye and 140gr Powder coated SWC
     

    trickg

    Guns 'n Drums
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 22, 2008
    14,708
    Glen Burnie
    Yes, I am like a modern Elmer Keith. Give me a pallet of Bullseye, Unique, 2400...and, I’m modern, H110...and I am happy. Experience has told me never change a winner.
    There's nothing in a common handgun caliber (I don't consider 500 S&W Magnum "common") that can't be loaded and loaded well with those first three powders, which is part of why I think they are still so commonly used. If I had to add another powder on there, it would be HP38/W231.

    Lower power target loads? Bullseye.

    Middle of the road power and velocity? Unique.

    Magnum with good velocity and power for 357, 41 mag and 44 mag? 2400.
     

    Harrys

    Short Round
    Jul 12, 2014
    3,423
    SOMD
    There's nothing in a common handgun caliber (I don't consider 500 S&W Magnum "common") that can't be loaded and loaded well with those first three powders, which is part of why I think they are still so commonly used. If I had to add another powder on there, it would be HP38/W231.

    Lower power target loads? Bullseye.

    Middle of the road power and velocity? Unique.

    Magnum with good velocity and power for 357, 41 mag and 44 mag? 2400.

    The 50 S&W is very common to others we all have our opinions.
     

    trickg

    Guns 'n Drums
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 22, 2008
    14,708
    Glen Burnie
    The 50 S&W is very common to others we all have our opinions.
    It's not even remotely as common as things like 357, 44 mag, 45 Colt, 38 SPC, 45 ACP, etc. It's only been around since 2003 and there's not a lot of load data available for it because of that.

    There are opinions and there are facts. Just because you or someone you know has one doesn't make it common.

    There are also plenty of opinions about sentence structure, capitalization, proper punctuation...
     

    bpm32

    Active Member
    Nov 26, 2010
    675
    Typically a double base vs. single base issue, especially with the older formulations. If fouling is an issue, I’d go with a modern single base powder.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,919
    Socialist State of Maryland
    I shoot Bullseye, Red Dot and Unique in my .45 Colt cast loads and never clean the guns unless accuracy deteriorates. I wipe them with a paper towel and then a silicone cloth before putting them in the safe. My subguns get the same treatment. I have relatively little quality time left on this earth. I would rather spend it shooting than cleaning. ;)
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    33,170
    Common as in similar loading approach as normie handgun calibers ? No .

    Common as to raw numbers of them on the dealer shelf ? More common than any other Larger than .45 bore size cartridge

    Uncommon , so as to not have a plethora of load data ? No

    If you're looking for the answer if .500S&W is as common as 9 x 19 or .45acp , it's not .

    But .500S&W is more common than : .480 Ruger , .475 Linebaugh, .475 Maximum , .500 Wyoming Express , .50 Special , .500Linebaugh, .500 Maximum, .500JRH, .510GNR , and probably another half dozen obscure big bore ctgs .

    I don't have handy sales numbers for guns or factory ammo ,but .500S&W probably within same order of magnitude as .50AE and .460S&W.
     

    trickg

    Guns 'n Drums
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 22, 2008
    14,708
    Glen Burnie
    Common as in similar loading approach as normie handgun calibers ? No .

    Common as to raw numbers of them on the dealer shelf ? More common than any other Larger than .45 bore size cartridge

    Uncommon , so as to not have a plethora of load data ? No

    If you're looking for the answer if .500S&W is as common as 9 x 19 or .45acp , it's not .

    But .500S&W is more common than : .480 Ruger , .475 Linebaugh, .475 Maximum , .500 Wyoming Express , .50 Special , .500Linebaugh, .500 Maximum, .500JRH, .510GNR , and probably another half dozen obscure big bore ctgs .

    I don't have handy sales numbers for guns or factory ammo ,but .500S&W probably within same order of magnitude as .50AE and .460S&W.
    This whole post completely proves my point. Thank you.
     

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