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I have the Burris FFIII and it has worked fine on everything from a .22 to .44 Magnum. My only issue is that it only has three brightness levels and the lowest is probably only usable with night vision. It is small enough to work well on my S&W M&Pc .40S&W. When I bought it, they only had 2 MOA. Now I believe they have 8MOA also and that is what I would buy if buying one for a handgun.
photoracer
Competition Shooter
Sightmark Mini is not up to the same quality as the other 2. I use a Burris FF3 8 MOA red dot on my S&W 986 revolver and it has worked 100% for several years. The Sig Romeo is used by a number of competition shooters so should be good.
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Ok. Back again. Now looking at the Vortex Venom 6 MOA or Burris Fastfire III in 3 or 8 MOA, This is for a compact pistol. With discounts the pricing is "similar". Would I be getting a significant quality difference with the Vortex and if NOT what benefit is the 3 vs 8 MOA FastFire version? I am still figuring out the MOA thing.
Ok. Back again. Now looking at the Vortex Venom 6 MOA or Burris Fastfire III in 3 or 8 MOA, This is for a compact pistol. With discounts the pricing is "similar". Would I be getting a significant quality difference with the Vortex and if NOT what benefit is the 3 vs 8 MOA FastFire version? I am still figuring out the MOA thing.
- Jul 29, 2014
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Is this for a self defense carry pistol?
most LIKELY it will be just a fun gun to test how optics benefit a pistol, BUT lets play What it and say it possibly could be.
Usmc1968
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Have you looked into Swampfox? They have great dots, including Green and offer military/veterans a VERY generous Discount.
Semper Fi
Semper Fi
I have seen them but don't know much about them. Unfortunately my discount is not Military/Veteran or LE based. But thank you for the info and for your service!
Pale Ryder
Ultimate Member
Venom 6 would compare closer to the FF 8.
Venom would also have I believe a lifetime warranty, not sure if Burris does.
MOA is basically inches at 100 yds. So a 3 MOA dot covers 3 inches of space on target at 100 yds. Half that at 50, and double at 200.
Rifle I would and have chosen a 3 MOA, pistol I believe 6MOA would be quicker to acquire.
Venom would also have I believe a lifetime warranty, not sure if Burris does.
MOA is basically inches at 100 yds. So a 3 MOA dot covers 3 inches of space on target at 100 yds. Half that at 50, and double at 200.
Rifle I would and have chosen a 3 MOA, pistol I believe 6MOA would be quicker to acquire.
- Jul 29, 2014
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Given the choice offered, as a personal defense weapon, I would not use a red dot.
If it's just for fun etc., I can't comment on those sights, as I have no experience with the ones mentioned. I would, however, recommend keeping dot size between (and including) 3-5 MOA.
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Ok so does that mean at 10 yds my grouping should be shots within 1/10 of an inch of each other?
Also,
Both the Burris and the Vortex list "Forever" and Lifetime Warranties. I don't know how well they honor them but have heard differing experiences with VORTEX. Most everyone says they make an excellent product, but some have said they issues getting the warranty repairs done in a timely manner or at all. Anyone have any personal experiences here?
I had a JPoint on my .45, it sucked. The first 2 broke from the recoil. Shooting with irons was much more intuitive. I moved it to my Ruger .22 and the difference from 7 to 10 yds was signifigant due to the elevated sight to bore. If you have a milled slide it will alleviate that a bit better. I'm not a fan of red dots on pistols.
I was looking at a FFIII a long time ago but with the sig option I would go with that. I did get a Venom for a rifle in 2MOA but I wish I had gotten the Sig. The auto off is really handy.
I was looking at a FFIII a long time ago but with the sig option I would go with that. I did get a Venom for a rifle in 2MOA but I wish I had gotten the Sig. The auto off is really handy.
Pale Ryder
Ultimate Member
No, nothing to do with grouping. You could flinch and throw a flyer. Only pertains to how much the dot obscures your target at known distances. Not sure if a 3 MOA dot would equal 1/3 of an inch at 10 yds. Math was not my strong suit.
Biggfoot44
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3 MOA = 0.3 inch @ 10yds aka 3/4 inch @ 25yds .8 MOA = 2 inch @ 25 yds
Rangeman
Active Member
I have a 3 MOA on my .22 pistol. Sometimes, it takes a second to find the dot.
On a defense handgun, I too would rather use open sights.
For Range fun, I prefer the smaller dot for target shooting (25 yds)
Rangeman
Active Member
Some red-dots have the motion activated on/off (MOTAC) and I wonder if with a little practice and a larger dot, how good it would be for defensive shooting?
For a centerfire, opt for better scope that can hold up to recoil...
For a centerfire, opt for better scope that can hold up to recoil...
- Jul 29, 2014
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I have a 3 MOA on my .22 pistol. Sometimes, it takes a second to find the dot.
On a defense handgun, I too would rather use open sights.
For Range fun, I prefer the smaller dot for target shooting (25 yds)
My dot recommendation was a bit general for the average shooter with average vision. A lot of us on this board are getting up there in years so larger dots would be a benefit, especially if a person is trying them out for the first time.
I currently shoot three Trijicon reflex sights. Two RMR Type 2 with 6.5 MOA dots ans an SRO waving a 5.0 MOA dot. I have decent long range vision for my age and I think I could have done OK with 3.25 dot in at least one of my RMRs. Maybe I will sell one and switch to the smaller dot now that I'm a bit more familiar with the platform.
Since you brought up center fires(in your other post), I'm not worried about the sturdiness of any of the Trijicon products. Having said that. I definitely prefer smaller dots 1.0-2.0 MOA dots in a much larger sight platform, having a much broader field of view.
I had a Burris FF that didn't survive 100 rounds of being slide mounted on a .45 M&P pistol.
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