Got a call from MSP, and told to register my guns

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  • Pinecone

    Ultimate Member
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    Feb 4, 2013
    28,175
    So if someone moves here with a home made pistol, it would be exempt from this because it isn't regulated? These laws make my head hurt...

    All handguns are regulated.
     

    ken792

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 2, 2011
    4,480
    Fairfax, VA
    All handguns are regulated.

    Except for 16”+ barrel handguns that don’t violate SB281 like that Heritage Rough Rider revolver with a 16” barrel. They’re a federally defined handgun but state defined rifle. They don’t require an HQL and apparently get run on the MSP pawn redemption portal as a “redemption of an other.”
     

    holesonpaper

    Active Member
    Mar 10, 2017
    913
    Hazzard county
    What does "the intent to become a resident" mean? I've been here a few years but only for work and never have I intended to become a resident in such a socialist communist state.

    I'm with you... None of us "intend to be a resident... of Maryland".

    Being a d-head - the definition of "intend" is "have (a course of action) as one's purpose or objective; plan.".... I had absolutely no plan nor objective to be a resident of this state and frankly want out just like everyone else.

    It just so happens I've lived here my entire life and have enough family that I can't leave (yet).:sad20:
     

    gtodave

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    Aug 14, 2007
    14,168
    Mt Airy
    All handguns are regulated.

    Well that's kinda my point....

    If I build one right now, I go through no paperwork, transfer, background check, etc. Therefore it can be argued that it is NOT regulated, although MGA and MSP might disagree.

    However if someone builds one out of state and then moves here, they are supposed to register it, because all handguns are regulated? What do they register? Are they being forced to serialize their home builts and then register?

    I'm trying to make logical sense out of something that I know had no logic applied when it was created and passed.
     

    ericoak

    don't drop Aboma on me
    Feb 20, 2010
    6,806
    Howard County
    Well that's kinda my point....

    If I build one right now, I go through no paperwork, transfer, background check, etc. Therefore it can be argued that it is NOT regulated, although MGA and MSP might disagree.

    However if someone builds one out of state and then moves here, they are supposed to register it, because all handguns are regulated? What do they register? Are they being forced to serialize their home builts and then register?

    I'm trying to make logical sense out of something that I know had no logic applied when it was created and passed.

    They aren’t regulated firearms in terms of manufacture, they are regulated in terms of selling. You can not sell a homemade handgun in MD without going through the regulated firearms sale process.

    Serial number is something you could probably try and push back on though for new residents, since there is no requirement to add one when made, only when sold.
     

    ericoak

    don't drop Aboma on me
    Feb 20, 2010
    6,806
    Howard County
    Except for 16”+ barrel handguns that don’t violate SB281 like that Heritage Rough Rider revolver with a 16” barrel. They’re a federally defined handgun but state defined rifle. They don’t require an HQL and apparently get run on the MSP pawn redemption portal as a “redemption of an other.”

    I don’t think guns with barrels over 16+ are automatically rifles because the definition of a rifle includes intended to be shot from the shoulder.

    The Rough Rider revolver is not designed to be shot from the shoulder.
     

    ken792

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    Sep 2, 2011
    4,480
    Fairfax, VA
    I don’t think guns with barrels over 16+ are automatically rifles because the definition of a rifle includes intended to be shot from the shoulder.

    The Rough Rider revolver is not designed to be shot from the shoulder.

    Whoops, I meant non-handgun “other” or whatever. Federally, it’s a handgun, but under MD’s regulated firearms law it’s not a handgun because MD defines handguns there as having barrels less than 16.”
     

    Bisleyfan44

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 11, 2008
    1,758
    Wicomico
    I used a FFL to conduct the transfer while my friend went online and filled out my info as the transferror.

    Herein lies the problem. Since you transferred the gun through an FFL, your friend should have checked the dealer sale box. With the FFL as the mediary, your friend is technically "buying" it from them, not you. The FFL keeps your info in his book. Now if you did the transfer at an MSP barracks, different story. But that toothpaste is already out of the tube........
     

    mac1_131

    MSI Executive Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 31, 2009
    3,280
    Well that's kinda my point....



    If I build one right now, I go through no paperwork, transfer, background check, etc. Therefore it can be argued that it is NOT regulated, although MGA and MSP might disagree.



    However if someone builds one out of state and then moves here, they are supposed to register it, because all handguns are regulated? What do they register? Are they being forced to serialize their home builts and then register?



    I'm trying to make logical sense out of something that I know had no logic applied when it was created and passed.
    The sale/transfer is regulated. You can't sell it without doing a transfer. You can build it and keep it as you noted.
     

    bam-az

    Member
    Nov 30, 2015
    70
    Herein lies the problem. Since you transferred the gun through an FFL, your friend should have checked the dealer sale box. With the FFL as the mediary, your friend is technically "buying" it from them, not you. The FFL keeps your info in his book. Now if you did the transfer at an MSP barracks, different story. But that toothpaste is already out of the tube........

    Yes, the application is getting kicked back for this reason. The officer did say what the correct action should have been, which you have just stated. Live and learn
     

    gtodave

    Member
    MDS Supporter
    Aug 14, 2007
    14,168
    Mt Airy
    They aren’t regulated firearms in terms of manufacture, they are regulated in terms of selling. You can not sell a homemade handgun in MD without going through the regulated firearms sale process.

    Serial number is something you could probably try and push back on though for new residents, since there is no requirement to add one when made, only when sold.

    Right, so where is the sale that regulates the handgun that someone brings in to the state? Are they trying to regulate sales in other states now?

    I'm just trying to find logic in this "must register guns brought in" rule
     

    ken792

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 2, 2011
    4,480
    Fairfax, VA
    Right, so where is the sale that regulates the handgun that someone brings in to the state? Are they trying to regulate sales in other states now?

    I'm just trying to find logic in this "must register guns brought in" rule

    The law passed in 2013 required people moving into the state to register regulated firearms. They’re not regulating sales in other states, just possessing items brought in from out of state.

    https://codes.findlaw.com/md/public-safety/md-code-public-safety-sect-5-143.html
     

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