New York rifle and Pistol case: what's next?

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  • Boats

    Beer, Bikes n Boomsticks
    Mar 13, 2012
    4,073
    Howeird County
    In 2019, there were 36,096 traffic fatalities in the US; there were 15,292 non-suicide firearms-related deaths.

    Facts never matter in these situations.

    Beat me to it. Statistically a requalification for a driver's license would make more sense if "saving lives" were really the goal. (we know it isn't)

    Also, driving is a privilege, not a right.

    Keeping and bearing arms is a right, not a privilege.

    So why is it more difficult to be able to exercise a right than a privilege?
     

    BeoBill

    Crank in the Third Row
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    Oct 3, 2013
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    南馬里蘭州鮑伊
    Because that particular right is disfavored by the Party that controls this state, whereas the Party leadership wouldn't want their chauffeurs to not be able to haul them around.
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    lazarus

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    Jun 23, 2015
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    MD already requires class every 2 years. That alone will probably limit the number of people who reapply every time they are up for renewal.

    Personally, I think it would be better for drivers license renewal than concealed carry

    I thought it was 2 years for first renewal and then every 3 there after?

    That being said, yeah I think everyone should be required to recertify for a driver’s license test. Fail it and you’ve got 45 days to retake and pass it or your license gets pulled.

    Call it once a decade till 65. Then every 5 years after that. Probably save a lot of lives. A heck of a lot more than CCW license renewals every couple of years ever would or could. Also if we want to get in to doctors reporting on gun owners. We should make it mandatory that doctors report to state MVAs if a patient has a health condition that would disqualify them from driving.
     

    Pope414

    Active Member
    I don`t know if this was brought up if it has I please point me to the thread..what do you think would happen in states that are May issue(No Issue) if the NY law is struck and Shall Issue becomes law..would they recognize residents with non-res permits from other states and give a timeframe to apply for a resident LTC?.. If struck there will be a floodgate opened that states like NY,NJ & MD unable to process applications in a timely manner..Thoughts?
     

    ShafTed

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    Mar 21, 2013
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    Juuuuust over the line
    MD already requires class every 2 years. That alone will probably limit the number of people who reapply every time they are up for renewal.


    I thought it was 2 years for first renewal and then every 3 there after?

    Clarification on the selected quotes above.

    First application, 16 hour class with renewal in 2 years. Renewals are good for 3 years with an 8 hour class.
     

    Texasgrillchef

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    Oct 29, 2021
    740
    Dallas, texas
    I don`t know if this was brought up if it has I please point me to the thread..what do you think would happen in states that are May issue(No Issue) if the NY law is struck and Shall Issue becomes law..would they recognize residents with non-res permits from other states and give a timeframe to apply for a resident LTC?.. If struck there will be a floodgate opened that states like NY,NJ & MD unable to process applications in a timely manner..Thoughts?

    Simple answer. no.

    I highly doubt that SCOTUS will write the opinion in a way that will require states to recognize out of state permits.

    However, I am aware of at least 4 lawsuits being prepared to be filed as soon as SCOTUS releases their opinion to push the issue of reciprocity.

    The states that will be sued in multiple different circuit courts to hopefully produce a circuit split will be the states that are the worst offenders of reciprocity. Such states as CA, HI, OR, IL, MD, MA, D.C. NY, NJ, FL, etc…

    Don’t look for nationwide reciprocity until either the courts rule it so, or until republicans have a national Trifecta again.
     

    teratos

    My hair is amazing
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    Jan 22, 2009
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    Simple answer. no.

    I highly doubt that SCOTUS will write the opinion in a way that will require states to recognize out of state permits.

    However, I am aware of at least 4 lawsuits being prepared to be filed as soon as SCOTUS releases their opinion to push the issue of reciprocity.

    The states that will be sued in multiple different circuit courts to hopefully produce a circuit split will be the states that are the worst offenders of reciprocity. Such states as CA, HI, OR, IL, MD, MA, D.C. NY, NJ, FL, etc…

    Don’t look for nationwide reciprocity until either the courts rule it so, or until republicans have a national Trifecta again.

    If carry outside the home is established as a right, reciprocity will be necessary. I cannot be deprived of my 1A right because I went to West Virginia to see my sister. The 2A is no different. Those cases will be quick.
     

    Texasgrillchef

    Active Member
    Oct 29, 2021
    740
    Dallas, texas
    Don't count on it. The republicans screwed the pooch the first 2 years of the Trump administration.

    The courts are the answer.

    You maybe right about that, but we have to get a trifecta first, and that’s much easier said then done sadly.

    We might regain control of the Senate in 2022, but I doubt we will of the house.
     

    Texasgrillchef

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    Oct 29, 2021
    740
    Dallas, texas
    If carry outside the home is established as a right, reciprocity will be necessary. I cannot be deprived of my 1A right because I went to West Virginia to see my sister. The 2A is no different. Those cases will be quick.

    I agree with you 100% however it will of course take a few legal battles sadly to force some states to do so.

    Most other states are slowly jumping on the bandwagon of reciprocity for all other states by either passing constitutional carry, or recognizing all other permits.

    South Carolina for example still has a constitutional carry bill that’s still alive, as well as a bill to recognize all other states LTC’s
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
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    Feb 24, 2018
    20,239
    Montgomery County
    You maybe right about that, but we have to get a trifecta first, and that’s much easier said then done sadly.

    We might regain control of the Senate in 2022, but I doubt we will of the house.

    Control of the senate and filibuster-proof control of the senate are two different things. We ain't gonna see 60+ seats there any time soon. Only way to get Ds in the senate to play ball is to use an R majority in the house (and an R executive) to make them completely beholden to playing nice with the Rs in the senate if they want any shiny budget toys at all. But they've already shown a willingness to throw their entire (toxic anyway, let's face it) agenda under the buss if they can claim procedural (ie, filibuster) victories that frustrate the conservatives on:

    1) Abortion
    2) Guns

    Bonus Pyrrhic Victories:

    3) Taxes
    4) Regulation
    5) Screwing with R-appointed Judges/Justices
     

    Inigoes

    Head'n for the hills
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 21, 2008
    49,365
    SoMD / West PA
    You maybe right about that, but we have to get a trifecta first, and that’s much easier said then done sadly.

    We might regain control of the Senate in 2022, but I doubt we will of the house.

    The republicans are good sniping the Democrats.

    The Republicans forgot how to govern though.
     

    Texasgrillchef

    Active Member
    Oct 29, 2021
    740
    Dallas, texas
    Control of the senate and filibuster-proof control of the senate are two different things. We ain't gonna see 60+ seats there any time soon. Only way to get Ds in the senate to play ball is to use an R majority in the house (and an R executive) to make them completely beholden to playing nice with the Rs in the senate if they want any shiny budget toys at all. But they've already shown a willingness to throw their entire (toxic anyway, let's face it) agenda under the buss if they can claim procedural (ie, filibuster) victories that frustrate the conservatives on:

    1) Abortion
    2) Guns

    Bonus Pyrrhic Victories:

    3) Taxes
    4) Regulation
    5) Screwing with R-appointed Judges/Justices

    I was trying to be a little sarcastic there… sadly I doubt we will get a Trifecta control anytime soon. Control as far as being able to pass what we want, without the democrats being able to do much to stop it. Which like I was saying isn’t going to be anytime soon.
     

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