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  • Jim12

    Let Freedom Ring
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    Jan 30, 2013
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    In his own words, from his website. Hadn't seen it posted.
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

    (Edited to add text, below):

    PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

    Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

    The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

    The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

    It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:

    Enforce The Laws On The Books

    We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.

    Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.

    Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.

    Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.

    Fix Our Broken Mental Health System

    Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.

    All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.

    And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.

    We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.

    Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners

    GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.

    BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.

    NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.

    MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.
     

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    Boondock Saint

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 11, 2008
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    One of Trump's tweets after Obama's speech following Newtown. Maybe Trump was only speaking for the heartfelt sorrow the president felt and conveniently wasn't agreeing with Obama's thinly veiled calls for more gun control:

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    dontpanic

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    Jul 7, 2013
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    Looks like the NRA wrote that for him.

    Doesn't matter, they're just words and I don't believe abything from that man.
     

    EL1227

    R.I.P.
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    Nov 14, 2010
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    Well, actually ...

    Looks like the NRA wrote that for him.

    Doesn't matter, they're just words and I don't believe anything from that man.

    Trump's 2nd Amendment Position Paper has been up on his site for months. Whether the NRA wrote it for him back then is up for debate, but I would guess that the NRA endorsed him based on it, rather than the other way around. Besides, it doesn't read like NRA talking points.

    But, since you 'don't believe anything from that man', I guess you're solidly in the GOA camp.

    SELLING TREACHERY: Four Reversals, Two Days, One HUGE Donald Trump Betrayal

    Since I'm a dues paying member of many 2A groups (GOA included) and follow their positions closely, I hope that they all can unite behind Trump, and more importantly constantly remind him of his 2A promises, so he knows full well the consequences if he doesn't keep them.
     

    danb

    dont be a dumbass
    Feb 24, 2013
    22,704
    google is your friend, I am not.
    Y'all will love Clinton's Supreme Court picks. She wants to appoint justices who will overturn DC v Heller, and may get 4 chances to do it.

    I do not like Trump. He may negotiate some things away. But Hillary guaranteed will start from a position of Australian style gun confiscation and justices who will read the 2nd amendment out of the constitution.



    from http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...lue-force-gear-quote-day-hillary-coming-guns/
     

    Jim12

    Let Freedom Ring
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    Jan 30, 2013
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    Trump's 2nd Amendment Position Paper has been up on his site for months. Whether the NRA wrote it for him back then is up for debate, but I would guess that the NRA endorsed him based on it, rather than the other way around. Besides, it doesn't read like NRA talking points.

    I ran across it on another, non-2A site I frequent, from a post dated 9/25/2015. Therefore, it's been Trump's position since at least then. Jeb Bush didn't even drop out until 2/21/2016 and the field was still crowded, so what's the likelihood that the NRA was writing position papers for Trump back in September, 2015? Slim? None?

    "To: FUBHO who wrote (3513) 9/26/2015 10:12:55 PM
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    Donald Trump's Gun Rights Position

    donaldjtrump.com

    PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

    Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

    The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period...."
     

    2nd=Good+Substantial

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 17, 2012
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    The Hereford Zone
    Y'all will love Clinton's Supreme Court picks. She wants to appoint justices who will overturn DC v Heller, and may get 4 chances to do it.

    I do not like Trump. He may negotiate some things away. But Hillary guaranteed will start from a position of Australian style gun confiscation and justices who will read the 2nd amendment out of the constitution.

    Exactly!
     

    Jim12

    Let Freedom Ring
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    Jan 30, 2013
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    Y'all will love Clinton's Supreme Court picks. She wants to appoint justices who will overturn DC v Heller, and may get 4 chances to do it.

    I do not like Trump. He may negotiate some things away. But Hillary guaranteed will start from a position of Australian style gun confiscation and justices who will read the 2nd amendment out of the constitution.



    from http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...lue-force-gear-quote-day-hillary-coming-guns/


    Hillary's picks will also resolve those "annoying petty controversies" that Obama has had to temporarily "resolve" with his pen and phone while castigating Republicans for even raising them: Immigration, Obamacare, bathroom rights, and the like. :sarcasm:

    Trump wasn't my first pick, but it's time for people to focus on the big picture and the future of the country. There was a balanced Supreme Court until Justice Scalia passed away, and he was a lion. The rest of them aren't getting any younger, and we are one unfavorable Justice away from the U.S. Constitution becoming not just a "living document," but unrecognizable and marginalized.
     

    Rattlesnake46319

    Curmidget
    Apr 1, 2008
    11,032
    Jefferson County, MO
    Also in Trump's own words:

    The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse to even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.

    But, hey, he's different now. He's the hope and change America needs, right? Gonna make America great again and solve everything....just like Obama promised in 2008 before he actually received national security briefings and saw reality.

    People are actually going to vote for a game show host. We have gone full American Idol. Good job, folks.
     

    Jim12

    Let Freedom Ring
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    Jan 30, 2013
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    Also in Trump's own words:



    But, hey, he's different now. He's the hope and change America needs, right? Gonna make America great again and solve everything....just like Obama promised in 2008 before he actually received national security briefings and saw reality.

    People are actually going to vote for a game show host. We have gone full American Idol. Good job, folks.

    You left out something important from your Trump quote: The date. It was from 2000, sixteen years ago.

    OTOH, less than five years ago, Obama and Hillary were both opposed to gay marriage, and they've shifted, too. But they've both remained ardently anti-2A.

    If steadfast, dogmatic opposition to your interests is preferable to someone who comes over to your side over time, vote for Hillary.

    Oh, btw, whether talking about religion, smoking, or rights, it's usually the converts who are the most devoted and ardent about it. Ever listen to a former smoker talk about the evils of cigarettes?
     

    EL1227

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    But WAIT, there's more ...

    Y'all will love Clinton's Supreme Court picks. She wants to appoint justices who will overturn DC v Heller, and may get 4 chances to do it.

    I do not like Trump. He may negotiate some things away. But Hillary guaranteed will start from a position of Australian style gun confiscation and justices who will read the 2nd amendment out of the constitution.



    from http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...lue-force-gear-quote-day-hillary-coming-guns/


    AND ... She will do it so fast and so completely that We The People won't be able to launch an effective legal defense, let alone fund it ... Just look at Maryland's struggles with FSA2013 for example. O'Malley was a piker in comparison, but I can see him being appointed as gun czar for The HildeBeast. If she's elected, everyone had better been ammo'ed up long before the war begins ... :innocent0
     
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    AssMan

    Meh...
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    Jan 27, 2011
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    He's a charlatan, but better than Hillary. Not much more to say. I'll vote for Trump while holding my nose and crossing my fingers. No need to discuss it any further.


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    Jim12

    Let Freedom Ring
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    Jan 30, 2013
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    He's a charlatan, but better than Hillary. Not much more to say. I'll vote for Trump while holding my nose and crossing my fingers. No need to discuss it any further.


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    I hope you discuss it with your Virginia neighbors, far and wide. The Clintonistas didn't install McAuliffe, one of their most rabid warriors and Hillary's fellow anti in his own right, as Virginia's Governor just to sit by for the 2016 elections. He's there to deliver swing-state Virginia to Hillary.
     

    AliasNeo07

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    Feb 12, 2009
    6,547
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    I don't believe anything Trump says. His positions (including 2A) have changed so many times it makes my head spin. However, he is a safer bet than Clinton on 2A for sure.

    Unfortunately (and I don't mean to be a downer,) here is what is going to transpire: Clinton will win (because...well...it's Trump), she will appoint numerous 2A SCOTUS justices (we know at least one, but many justices are getting up there in age as well), Heller will be overturned, and we will have to go the Constitutional Amendment route.

    Either we successfully pass a constitutional amendment (which is extremely difficult), or the 2A will slowly be eroded over the next 20 years until there is nothing left.

    That is my fear. And there is very little we can do to stop it. We could have done something to stop it by not running Donald Trump against the most unpopular Democrat running for President in decades. This will go down in history as biggest missed opportunity by the Republican party in a hundred years.

    My .02
     

    RoadDawg

    Nos nostraque Deo
    Dec 6, 2010
    94,181
    I don't believe anything Trump says. His positions (including 2A) have changed so many times it makes my head spin. However, he is a safer bet than Clinton on 2A for sure.

    Unfortunately (and I don't mean to be a downer,) here is what is going to transpire: Clinton will win (because...well...it's Trump), she will appoint numerous 2A SCOTUS justices (we know at least one, but many justices are getting up there in age as well), Heller will be overturned, and we will have to go the Constitutional Amendment route.

    Either we successfully pass a constitutional amendment (which is extremely difficult), or the 2A will slowly be eroded over the next 20 years until there is nothing left.

    That is my fear. And there is very little we can do to stop it. We could have done something to stop it by not running Donald Trump against the most unpopular Democrat running for President in decades. This will go down in history as biggest missed opportunity by the Republican party in a hundred years.

    My .02
    No...
    That was the last election... Remember the "winner" that the GOP put up? Mittens Romney... The election couldn't be lost to the worst POTUS in history... Ahh, but it was.
     

    balttigger

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    Oct 15, 2008
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    Middle River, MD
    I am, by no means, a fan of The Donald. I don't trust him to do anything with anyone but himself and his own interests first - BUT - the alternative is a known quantity; and it scares the ever-loving F@#K out of me. We know what Hillary will do. We know she will be another 4 years of Obama, but with an attitude and history of bodies in her wake. Imagine what she will do with the FBI, DEA, NSA, ATF and CIA at her beck and call.

    I hear people talking about different third party "alternatives" and I look at history. The last time a 3rd party candidate even came close was 104 years ago and that was a very well known and well liked former President who ran a very well organized and popular campaign; and he still came up over a million votes short in an election that only recorded 20 million votes cast. No other person has the popularity, organization or money to go up against grandma but Trump. A vote for anyone else is an ad-hoc vote for Clinton.

    So, in November, I will hold my nose and vote Trump. Besides, I expect his Veep to be in the White House before the end of his first term anyway.
     

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