Which is better Rem Tac-14 or Moss Shockwave?

Bisleyfan44 · May 18, 2017

KevinK said:
A bit off-topic, but will adding the raptor grip to a Pardner Pump cause any NFA type problems?

It should still be > 26" (it's 37.625" now) so I doubt it but since it has a stock now, I just wanted to be sure (BGOS!).

Also, would cutting the barrel down any run afoul of the law.

Damn that HQL (or damn me).

Without knowing for sure, I'd say DO NOT do it. You're making a handgun from a shotgun, and cutting the regular bbl to 14" and installing it on your new "handgun would probably add quite a bit of prison "icing" on your cake.

teawhy · May 18, 2017

Rack&Roll said:
And 870 Magpul forend looks all SuperSoaker! Hehehehe

Agreed. But can you really go wrong with either of them?

Rack&Roll · May 18, 2017

KevinK said:
A bit off-topic, but will adding the raptor grip to a Pardner Pump cause any NFA type problems?

It should still be > 26" (it's 37.625" now) so I doubt it but since it has a stock now, I just wanted to be sure (BGOS!).

Also, would cutting the barrel down any run afoul of the law.

Damn that HQL (or damn me).

The 14 inch barrel shotgun is NOT LEGAL to "manufacture" on your own unless it starts life ONLY as a pistol grip shotgun. The firearm involved cannot be the package deal where you get a shoulder stock shotgun that includes a pistol grip as an accessory. That is still a long gun and cutting that down to 14 inches will put you in violation of the NFA and could put you in prison for 10 years.

There are very SPECIFIC rules to follow if you decide to take a firearm that was sold as a pistol grip (or a shotgun receiver purchased as an "other" firearm) and then add the Shockwave Bird Head grip to get the proper length with a 14 inch barrel.

But any 14 inch barrel firearm with the Shockwave grip that you "manufacture" can NEVER be offered for sale EVER. Federal law.

So, word to the wise: buy the Mossy or Remington 14 inch firearms because you then retain the legal right to sell it or transfer it later and you know are on the right side of the law there.

IMPORTANT: Once you possess the Shockwave or other Bird Head grip model 14 inch barrel firearm--you must follow HANDGUN transport rules and you can NEVER swap out the Bird Head grip for a pistol grip because you will have violated Federal law if you do so.

If you want to own one, don't take my word for it, do your research!

Alphabrew · May 29, 2017

If any central Maryland peeps want a Shockwave, South Carroll Sporting Goods just posted that they have one in stock!

Minuteman · May 30, 2017

Mikey · Jun 1, 2017

If you were to buy one of these shotguns in a free state and bring it to MD, would you then have to register it as a pistol?

Alphabrew · Jun 2, 2017

Rob1035 · Jun 16, 2017

As a lefty, I've always been a fan of the 500/590 controls.

Alphabrew · Aug 10, 2017

The tac 14 is $329 shipped after rebate at Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore. If you trust Remington to actually give you the rebate

TinCuda · Aug 10, 2017

Just FYI if anyone is interested, I sent my barrel to AimPro to get a shroud installed.

A standard Mossberg barrel shroud is too long. I looked into an aftermarket "universal" shroud that had the aft clip more toward the middle. My thinking was to cut the length down by removing material from the breach end. The problem was the front mount. The front bolts together under the barrel, ideally behind the front barrel lug. There is no room for this due to the forend (when moved forward) does not leave room for this.

In my option, AimPro does it the best, cleanest way. They cut one of their shrouds and (braze?) the rear clip back on. Then they drill and tap the forward barrel lugs to attach the front with screws. They do not advertise this service on their web site. I called and talked to them.

Cost was $169 plus return shipping.

By the way. My vote is for Mossberg. Newer design, dual ejector claws, maintenance can be done by owner.

At lot of folks like the steal receiver on the 870. That is fine. I get it. The way the bolt locks into the barrel on the Mossberg, a steal receiver is not required.

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Alphabrew · Aug 10, 2017

That looks pretty sweet but that's a lot of cash to shell out for a shroud

Name Taken · Aug 10, 2017

Without trying to sound ignorant what is the point of the shroud? I'm guessing if you are firing a lot it's going to get pretty hot.

TinCuda · Aug 10, 2017

Alphabrew said:
That looks pretty sweet but that's a lot of cash to shell out for a shroud

I have to admit, I kind of got caught up in the chase. I am not unhappy with how it turned out. It is a lot of money to spend on just the shroud. I guess it's because it was custom made to fit.

Name Taken said:
Without trying to sound ignorant what is the point of the shroud? I'm guessing if you are firing a lot it's going to get pretty hot.

The shroud has inverted dimples to hold it away from the barrel but it would probably get hot anyway. Honestly, I got it because I thought it would look good. Not really any other practical reason.

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Minuteman · Aug 14, 2017

TinCuda said:
I have to admit, I kind of got caught up in the chase. I am not unhappy with how it turned out. It is a lot of money to spend on just the shroud. I guess it's because it was custom made to fit.

The shroud has inverted dimples to hold it away from the barrel but it would probably get hot anyway. Honestly, I got it because I thought it would look good. Not really any other practical reason.

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I had the same experience/feeling about another shotgun many years ago.

Taking it off scratched it up even more.

Pass. All I can say.

dreadpirate · Aug 20, 2017

How about this 9 shot Mossberg?
http://www.jlowesguns.com/MOSSBERG-590-TACTICAL-12-GAUGE-50778_p_470.html

Or this 870?
http://www.jlowesguns.com/Remington-870-Express-81197_p_533.html

Other than looks, I don't see the utility in these pistol shotguns. I think one of the above would be better.

If I am forced kicking and screaming to choose one of the pistol shotguns, I would give a slight nod to the Remmy (since i have never owned a Mossberg). But since this is a pistol, all rules transporting pistols apply, right?

[EDIT] question answered:

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=4679043&postcount=19

TinCuda · Aug 20, 2017

I bought one because I wanted one.

There is no way I would use it for self defense, or really even take it out in public. If I ever ended up in court with a 14.5 inch barreled shotgun, I don't care how legal it is on paper, any laywer would have a field day!

No good use in my book. It's just for my personal satisfaction of owning it.

I kind of see it more like thumbing my nose at anti-gun nuts.

P.S. this is not the ONLY shotgun that I own.

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dreadpirate · Aug 20, 2017

TinCuda said:
I bought one because I wanted one.
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It's just for my personal satisfaction of owning it.

I have at least one firearm that falls under that category myself. :innocent0

eruby · Aug 20, 2017

TinCuda said:
I bought one because I wanted one.

There is no way I would use it for self defense, or really even take it out in public. If I ever ended up in court with a 14.5 inch barreled shotgun, I don't care how legal it is on paper, any laywer would have a field day!

No good use in my book. It's just for my personal satisfaction of owning it.

I kind of see it more like thumbing my nose at anti-gun nuts.

P.S. this is not the ONLY shotgun that I own.

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Bolded = BGOS.

Agree with the rest :thumbsup:

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TinCuda · Aug 20, 2017

eruby said:
Bolded = BGOS.

Agree with the rest .

Sorry, I am having trouble coming up with what BGOS stands for. Not totally acronym savvy.

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DadOSix · Aug 20, 2017

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