Any advice for a young aspiring gunsmith?

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  • Doctor_M

    Certified Mad Scientist
    MDS Supporter
    My buddy's son is looking at career as a gunsmith/FFL. He is a good kid (don't tell him I said that) and has a passion for history (especially military history). He wants to combine his history studies along with gunsmithing skills to build a business around military arms.

    He is looking at a program at SDI. I'm happy to give him what advice I can, but I thought that some folks in the business might have some good advice for a bright young man just starting out.

    Thanks.
     

    ohen cepel

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 2, 2011
    4,515
    Where they send me.
    I would go to an in person school. I don't see the online ones being as good. I did an online gunsmithing course with Penn Foster years ago. I got something out of it but not much.

    I think the school to go to is in CO. Forget the name but I would go there.
     

    TheOriginalMexicanBob

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 2, 2017
    32,907
    Sun City West, AZ
    Many of the best gunsmiths started out as watchmakers. Many of the skills are transferable...working with very small parts...making springs. I'm not saying that your son should become a watchmaker first but learning some of those skills can certainly be helpful and maybe an advantage.
     

    clandestine

    AR-15 Savant
    Oct 13, 2008
    37,031
    Elkton, MD
    SDI won't open many doors. I know this because many of my students are SDI graduates or active students. Many of them tell me that they are NOT happy once they graduate. The look at what they spent and what they received and don't feel it was a fair transaction. Many have trouble finding jobs that will support a basic lifestyle.

    SDI isn't bad, but it's quite expensive and does not have nearly close to what a student in a gunsmith school would experience and employers know that.

    SDI is a step up from an AGI online program.

    Both are better than nothing but really only scratch the surface.

    Depending on his options he may be better off trying to get into Colorado School of trades or a similar School that has a solid reputation for training Gunsmiths.

    To be successful he has to try everything to be a real gunsmith, and it helps him find out what in particular the is passionate about doing. You will do this at a gunsmith school.

    He could find a master gunsmith to apprentice him, but not all gunsmiths are good teachers and it won't give you a piece of paper showing completion. Finding a master to teach is not an easy task because many gunsmiths hold their trade close to the chest because they don't want to train someone who will try to run them out of business.

    Where is this young man located? Does he or his family have the ability to pay for a Gunsmith School?

    He will also have to spend a great deal of money on tools. Tell him to start now. Having tools for gun work can be useful for other things in life. I'll be happy to provide a list for him of the basics.

    I would be happy to talk to him r his parents if they would like. He can come to my shop and see what I do. I no longer work on anything but the AR, but I can say that with God's help I am a nationally recognized expert in this one particular platform. I was apprentice trained and now the AR Industry knows my work and name.

    No hard feelings if they are not interested in speaking to me. Just wanted to share my perspective.

    He could go to a college that has a good gunsmithing program so he can acquire a degree in history. Engineering wouldn't be bad option either but depending on the school it could end up being a money pit for his particular career path.

    If he plans to run his own business in the field, some business classes will certainly be helpful. Many gunsmiths are not good businessmen and don't do as well because of it.
     

    Doctor_M

    Certified Mad Scientist
    MDS Supporter
    SDI won't open many doors. I know this because many of my students are SDI graduates or active students. Many of them tell me that they are NOT happy once they graduate. The look at what they spent and what they received and don't feel it was a fair transaction. Many have trouble finding jobs that will support a basic lifestyle.

    SDI isn't bad, but it's quite expensive and does not have nearly close to what a student in a gunsmith school would experience and employers know that.

    SDI is a step up from an AGI online program.

    Both are better than nothing but really only scratch the surface.

    Depending on his options he may be better off trying to get into Colorado School of trades or a similar School that has a solid reputation for training Gunsmiths.

    To be successful he has to try everything to be a real gunsmith, and it helps him find out what in particular the is passionate about doing. You will do this at a gunsmith school.

    He could find a master gunsmith to apprentice him, but not all gunsmiths are good teachers and it won't give you a piece of paper showing completion. Finding a master to teach is not an easy task because many gunsmiths hold their trade close to the chest because they don't want to train someone who will try to run them out of business.

    Where is this young man located? Does he or his family have the ability to pay for a Gunsmith School?

    He will also have to spend a great deal of money on tools. Tell him to start now. Having tools for gun work can be useful for other things in life. I'll be happy to provide a list for him of the basics.

    I would be happy to talk to him r his parents if they would like. He can come to my shop and see what I do. I no longer work on anything but the AR, but I can say that with God's help I am a nationally recognized expert in this one particular platform. I was apprentice trained and now the AR Industry knows my work and name.

    No hard feelings if they are not interested in speaking to me. Just wanted to share my perspective.

    He could go to a college that has a good gunsmithing program so he can acquire a degree in history. Engineering wouldn't be bad option either but depending on the school it could end up being a money pit for his particular career path.

    If he plans to run his own business in the field, some business classes will certainly be helpful. Many gunsmiths are not good businessmen and don't do as well because of it.

    Thanks, Chad. That's an awesome offer! I will pass it on. They are located in Carroll County, but I'm guessing if he really wants to do this, he will do what will give him the highest chance of success. I think he would really benefit from someone who knows what it takes to be successful in this line of work... I know a thing or two about firearms, but I really can't give him advice on what it takes to do this correctly as a career. We did talk last night about starting to acquire quality tools starting with the basics of a good gunsmith screwdriver and punch set. As always, I appreciate your insight and I'll let him know that you are willing to talk with him.

    Thanks all for your input.
     

    traveller

    The one with two L
    Nov 26, 2010
    18,409
    variable
    When I lived out west, the local gunsmith had trained at the Colorado School of Trades and then worked a few years in a a shop under another gunsmith. He was in his late 50s and lamented that there was too much work and nobody interested in learning the trade. He was independent, but leased his shop space inside of a local outdoor store. I told him that he wasn't charging enough for his work, he then had some unkind words to say about gun-owners and hunters attachment to pennies and nickels.
     

    clandestine

    AR-15 Savant
    Oct 13, 2008
    37,031
    Elkton, MD
    Thanks, Chad. That's an awesome offer! I will pass it on. They are located in Carroll County, but I'm guessing if he really wants to do this, he will do what will give him the highest chance of success. I think he would really benefit from someone who knows what it takes to be successful in this line of work... I know a thing or two about firearms, but I really can't give him advice on what it takes to do this correctly as a career. We did talk last night about starting to acquire quality tools starting with the basics of a good gunsmith screwdriver and punch set. As always, I appreciate your insight and I'll let him know that you are willing to talk with him.

    Thanks all for your input.

    You are very welcome my friend.

    If he wants to talk, shoot me a PM and I'll give you all my contact info for him.
     

    smokey

    2A TEACHER
    Jan 31, 2008
    31,509
    SDI won't open many doors. I know this because many of my students are SDI graduates or active students. Many of them tell me that they are NOT happy once they graduate. The look at what they spent and what they received and don't feel it was a fair transaction. Many have trouble finding jobs that will support a basic lifestyle.

    SDI isn't bad, but it's quite expensive and does not have nearly close to what a student in a gunsmith school would experience and employers know that.

    SDI is a step up from an AGI online program.

    Both are better than nothing but really only scratch the surface.

    Depending on his options he may be better off trying to get into Colorado School of trades or a similar School that has a solid reputation for training Gunsmiths.

    To be successful he has to try everything to be a real gunsmith, and it helps him find out what in particular the is passionate about doing. You will do this at a gunsmith school.

    He could find a master gunsmith to apprentice him, but not all gunsmiths are good teachers and it won't give you a piece of paper showing completion. Finding a master to teach is not an easy task because many gunsmiths hold their trade close to the chest because they don't want to train someone who will try to run them out of business.

    Where is this young man located? Does he or his family have the ability to pay for a Gunsmith School?

    He will also have to spend a great deal of money on tools. Tell him to start now. Having tools for gun work can be useful for other things in life. I'll be happy to provide a list for him of the basics.

    I would be happy to talk to him r his parents if they would like. He can come to my shop and see what I do. I no longer work on anything but the AR, but I can say that with God's help I am a nationally recognized expert in this one particular platform. I was apprentice trained and now the AR Industry knows my work and name.

    No hard feelings if they are not interested in speaking to me. Just wanted to share my perspective.

    He could go to a college that has a good gunsmithing program so he can acquire a degree in history. Engineering wouldn't be bad option either but depending on the school it could end up being a money pit for his particular career path.

    If he plans to run his own business in the field, some business classes will certainly be helpful. Many gunsmiths are not good businessmen and don't do as well because of it.

    Solid advice and a stand-up offer. :thumbsup:
     

    Doco Overboard

    Ultimate Member
    My buddy's son is looking at career as a gunsmith/FFL. He is a good kid (don't tell him I said that) and has a passion for history (especially military history). He wants to combine his history studies along with gunsmithing skills to build a business around military arms.

    He is looking at a program at SDI. I'm happy to give him what advice I can, but I thought that some folks in the business might have some good advice for a bright young man just starting out.

    Thanks.

    Not in the business but I would suggest building skill-set in the machine trades as an early measure. Basic woodworking, how to use hand tools and material management techniques.
    And then, take the steps to understand excellence in arms and how that concept applies to the craft. Particularly if he's interested in vintage military firearms.
     

    4g64loser

    Bad influence
    Jan 18, 2007
    6,512
    maryland
    US Army MOS 91F, or
    USMC MOS 2111.

    This. I wasn't military but I'm not a full time gunsmith either. Learned by doing with some help from some benchrest/varmint guys who did their own work. I can do a lot of my own work but if military guns are the interest it will be very hard to find a specialist in them willing to take on an apprentice. Most of Landies' guys that I met are ex military armorers (Ohio Ordnance Works). A tidbit for the lad: the military has contracted out some of its rebuild/repair service.....so there is a track to pursue after separation. I know a couple of Marines who were 2111s and they know their (US) equipment. If the interest is in non us equipment, that will be harder. Michaels Machine comes to mind for that. There are a few other outfits like Project Guns, who specialize in non us equipment but I know nothing about their hiring practices.
     

    dieselfarmboy

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 5, 2009
    3,005
    Snow Hill, MD
    Need to specialize in something high end that people are willing to pay for. Its about like being a small engine mechanic, no one is going to pay $200 in parts and labor when you can get new for $300. I looked into it for awhile and then realized that the money wasnt there unless you lucked into something.
     

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