Want to thank all you guys that helped me get started with all the good advice and great reading in these threads. After getting some brass at the range today and of course slimjim giving me some already tumbled brass i loaded 40 rounds tonight. Never would of thought this stuff is so easy. Loading up a bunch of different weights and logging it, can't wait to get to the range and try them out. so far have 20 of smk 69 with 24.5 grains of varget, 10 smk with 24.2 grains of varget, and 10 more smk with 24.8 grains. going to load some even lower charge too and a couple of max to see how they do. Thanks again fellas