ATF moving to ban pistol braces (again)?

fred2207 · Jun 17, 2020

JerseyMike said:
What? I thought Trump was a second amendment advocate?

Only when he needs votes... Talks a lot of shit and then flushes. :sad20:

JerseyMike · Jun 17, 2020

fred2207 said:
Only when he needs votes... Talks a lot of shit and then flushes.

I couldn’t agree more. If this is a thing (just a rumor atm) his supporters will largely ignore it and/or attempt to justify it by saying he’s still “better than any democrats” on guns (despite the fact that Obama has a better 2A record than Trump).

ironpony · Jun 18, 2020

I believe I like all the above posts.
ATF, do your job.
Letters to Congress, defund ATF since they can not figure out tech that processes applications faster .... and they have that tech! As well as review their legislative aspirations of late. “Rogue”?
ATF balls are bigger given SCOTUS seems to be in lockstep.

HaveBlue · Jun 18, 2020

JerseyMike said:
I couldn’t agree more. If this is a thing (just a rumor atm) his supporters will largely ignore it and/or attempt to justify it by saying he’s still “better than any democrats” on guns (despite the fact that Obama has a better 2A record than Trump).

I haven't hear many commenters on MDS (or anywhere else) discuss Obamas 2A achievements. Would you mind sharing some? I'm starting to wonder if I need to expand my information sources?

OnTarget · Jun 19, 2020

RuralRifleGuy said:
Why won't he mention what brand and model of brace? That's more helpful to people than being vague.

I just looked on a You Tube video from the last day or two, and the conjecture is (emphasis added on conjecture) that the ATF is only talking about one brace and it might be the SBA3. This was only speculation.
Why the SBA3, I wouldn't know.

Lloyd · Jun 19, 2020

OnTarget said:
I just looked on a You Tube video from the last day or two, and the conjecture is (emphasis added on conjecture) that the ATF is only talking about one brace and it might be the SBA3. This was only speculation.
Why the SBA3, I wouldn't know.

My guess is that it's on a milspec buffer tube and to my knowledge, the others aren't.

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OnTarget · Jun 19, 2020

Lloyd said:
My guess is that it's on a milspec buffer tube and to my knowledge, the others aren't.

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Isn't the buffer tube mainly provided for new builds? I believe you can install the SBA3 brace on an existing buffer tube.

SkiPatrolDude · Jun 19, 2020

Lloyd said:
My guess is that it's on a milspec buffer tube and to my knowledge, the others aren't.

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The SBA4 brace is also on a mil spec carbine buffer tube and pretty objectively more sturdy than the SBA3. I ended up putting some SB tactical "LOP Limiters" to keep the "LOP" under 13.5 as per some of the recent ATF cases...

DutchV · Jun 19, 2020

KAK and MagPul also make braces that use standard carbine receiver extensions.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what their "justification" is if they change their position on these.

SkiPatrolDude · Jun 19, 2020

Not sure if this petition has much merit, but it's on Change.org. I would encourage everyone to sign it.

https://www.change.org/p/patrick-te...ldGl0aW9uAK7YXQEAAAAAXuwHbXPIOZ9hZDA0MzY5YQ==

ironpony · Jun 19, 2020

I may buy one of each so our gov will be able to make on more felon.

OnTarget · Jun 19, 2020

SkiPatrolDude said:
Not sure if this petition has much merit, but it's on Change.org. I would encourage everyone to sign it.

https://www.change.org/p/patrick-te...ldGl0aW9uAK7YXQEAAAAAXuwHbXPIOZ9hZDA0MzY5YQ==

Signed.

Lloyd · Jun 19, 2020

OnTarget said:
Isn't the buffer tube mainly provided for new builds? I believe you can install the SBA3 brace on an existing buffer tube.

Yes, but many of the earlier generations the buffer tube was not mil-spec and wouldn't accept a mil spec stock. That was only a guess though.

SkiPatrolDude said:
The SBA4 brace is also on a mil spec carbine buffer tube and pretty objectively more sturdy than the SBA3. I ended up putting some SB tactical "LOP Limiters" to keep the "LOP" under 13.5 as per some of the recent ATF cases...

This is where my theory is debunked.

Perhaps it is the LoP that's the issue with SBA3 ( ? ) which is more of a question than an answer.

It's hard to keep up with all of this.

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OnTarget · Jun 19, 2020

DutchV said:
KAK and MagPul also make braces that use standard carbine receiver extensions.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what their "justification" is if they change their position on these.

I just read where the Magpul BSL is compatible with Mil-Spec carbine receiver extensions.

jamesp15 · Jun 19, 2020

Stupid question, but if banned does that only affect use on "Pistols" or would also not be allowed for use on a Carbine/Rifle sized AR?

Not that anyone would really necessarily want to, just curious.

Boats · Jun 19, 2020

HaveBlue said:
I haven't hear many commenters on MDS (or anywhere else) discuss Obamas 2A achievements. Would you mind sharing some? I'm starting to wonder if I need to expand my information sources?

I think it is more a comparison of failures than a track record of success with either of them.

The thing is, Obama could be expected to be anti-2a, as a dimocrat.

meanwhile the "pro-2a" president does this:

"take the guns first, go through due process second"

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second

and this:

https://images.app.goo.gl/P7Ncracrmrvfn2mu8

OnTarget · Jun 19, 2020

As per my earlier statement, am I right that the SBA3 brace doesn't have to use the buffer tube that SB Tactical provides? If one already has a milspec buffer tube on one's lower, can't that be used?

lazarus · Jun 19, 2020

ironpony said:
I believe I like all the above posts.
ATF, do your job.
Letters to Congress, defund ATF since they can not figure out tech that processes applications faster .... and they have that tech! As well as review their legislative aspirations of late. “Rogue”?
ATF balls are bigger given SCOTUS seems to be in lockstep.

Defunding then leaves us with no legal way to buy NFA items. Eventually someone would get around to investigating that. And likely no FFL is going to sell you an NFA item if ATF can’t process the form and approval.

NFA/Hughs has been tested with “but how can the government punish you for not paying a tax they refuse to collect”?

I doubt “aren’t able to collect” would end much better for the people who’d test that.

Muleskinner · Jun 19, 2020

Well I guess several people here will need to be getting rid of theirs...Don't want to take a chance on losing that law abiding status...

DutchV · Jun 20, 2020

OnTarget said:
As per my earlier statement, am I right that the SBA3 brace doesn't have to use the buffer tube that SB Tactical provides? If one already has a milspec buffer tube on one's lower, can't that be used?

https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/sba3/

You're correct - it fits a "mil-spec carbine extension".

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