Supreme Court Denies Cert In All Pending Second Amendment Cases

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  • jcutonilli

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 28, 2013
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    That's an easy one. Notice that since the 2008 Heller case, there hasn't been not one open carry case without a license brought to the court...There's your answer, because licensed concealed carry isn't protected under the 2nd Amendment.

    I think you need to read the reasoning behind the historical prohibition.
     

    777GSOTB

    Active Member
    Mar 23, 2014
    363
    I think you need to read the reasoning behind the historical prohibition.

    RIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHHT....Keep those licensed concealed carry cases coming. That's the secret..Flood them with more of the same, same, same, same. Hey, maybe they're not taking the cases because they're not written with a quill pen...Being all historical and all that.
     

    ironpony

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    Jun 8, 2013
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    I’m wondering how many $’s were lost on these 10 cases. Sort of brings back the “ send more money to help continue the fight” conspiracy theory.
     

    DanGuy48

    Ultimate Member
    This just proves that Donald Trump needs to be re-elected. He has a proven track record of nominating and getting confirmed conservative justices to the US Supreme Court along with nominating and getting confirmed judges to the various federal benches throughout the country. You never know who is going to take the next dirt nap. It could be a conservative or it could be a liberal, fingers crossed. Over the next 4 years Trump could nominate two more conservatives. Wouldn't that be a great legacy?

    I wasn’t completely sure about Trump in 2016 but knew I’d vote for Lucifer himself over Hillary and it was mainly because of impact on the courts. I’ve been very pleased with Trump’s impact on the courts and it could turn out that the impact from his lower court appointments is much greater than his SCOTUS appointments.
     

    randomuser

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 12, 2018
    5,823
    Baltimore County
    Beating the courts at the game of court. LOL. Not saying I told you, but....


    To not try is to give up entirely. The fight must continue.
    There has been no fighting. There has been money given to lawyers to talk to other lawyers who don't want to talk.
    and now the cycle repeats itself. We need to put up more money to get another shot at getting a permission slip in place of a right. It's not a right if you have to ask permission. It's not a right if you let a politician or lawyer take it from you with a pen.
     

    Kharn

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 9, 2008
    3,579
    Hazzard County
    I’m wondering how many $’s were lost on these 10 cases. Sort of brings back the “ send more money to help continue the fight” conspiracy theory.

    SAF accepted $399,950 to settle the claim for fees from McDonald v Chicago, which was below their actual expenses IIRC.

    Kharn
     

    press1280

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 11, 2010
    7,910
    WV
    RIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHHT....Keep those licensed concealed carry cases coming. That's the secret..Flood them with more of the same, same, same, same. Hey, maybe they're not taking the cases because they're not written with a quill pen...Being all historical and all that.

    You do realize Norman v State was denied cert without even a dissent?
    You’re also aware 2 of the judges you would rely on for an open carry victory slammed CA9s Peruta slight of hand?
    Neither Thomas nor Kavanaugh made any reference in the Rogers dissent that the case was booted over not being a pure, unlicensed open carry case?
     

    CrueChief

    Cocker Dad/RIP Bella
    Apr 3, 2009
    3,023
    Napolis-ish
    The Gun control debate can't end, if it did then we'd stop sending money to our groups and Bloomberg would stop spending his money. If it stays status quo than all of them win. The Liberal side of the court doesn't need to do anything why would they? It has been said that Roberts would vote against whom even made him vote, so the status quo is the status quo.
     

    wjackcooper

    Active Member
    Feb 9, 2011
    689
    All else remaining the same, until either Roberts, Kagan, Beyer, Ginsberg, or Sotomayor is replaced with a conservative no 2A case is likely to be favorably treated by the SC.*

    Needless to point out the next election probably will determine the fate of the 2A. If interest balancing (rather than a text, history, and tradition approach) by liberal Judges and Justices is to be the rule, it seems to me an adverse outcome is a forgone conclusion.

    Regards
    Jack

    *https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/why-did-the-roberts-court-punt-on-ten-second-amendment-cases/
     

    TheOriginalMexicanBob

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    Jul 2, 2017
    32,795
    Sun City West, AZ
    All else remaining the same, until either Roberts, Kagan, Beyer, Ginsberg, or Sotomayor is replaced with a conservative no 2A case is likely to be favorably treated by the SC.*

    Needless to point out the next election probably will determine the fate of the 2A. If interest balancing (rather than a text, history, and tradition approach) by liberal Judges and Justices is to be the rule, it seems to me an adverse outcome is a forgone conclusion.

    Regards
    Jack

    *https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/why-did-the-roberts-court-punt-on-ten-second-amendment-cases/


    At least one of them...more would be better as a cushion for the future.
     

    adit

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    Feb 20, 2013
    19,638
    DE
    As if not already known, Roberts is the 2A's biggest problem.

    New details obtained by CNN reveal how Roberts maneuvered on controversial cases in the justices' private sessions, at times defying expectations as he sided with liberal justices. Roberts exerted unprecedented control over cases and the court's internal operations, especially after the nine were forced to work in isolation because of Covid-19.

    The chief justice, for the first time in his tenure on the court, voted to strike down a state law that would diminish access to abortion and, in a decision for the ages, rejected President Donald Trump's extensive claims of "temporary presidential immunity."

    Roberts also sent enough signals during internal deliberations on firearms restrictions, sources said, to convince fellow conservatives he would not provide a critical fifth vote anytime soon to overturn gun control regulations. As a result, the justices in June denied several petitions regarding Second Amendment rights.

    ...

    Blocking conservatives on the Second Amendment

    Among the many mysteries of the recent session is why the conservative justices stopped pressing for a new firearms case that would allow them to bolster Second Amendment rights.

    After hearing a New York City gun regulation challenge in December, the majority decided the case was moot because the city had amended its ordinance which banned the transporting of guns to firing ranges or second homes outside the city.

    CNN has learned that resolution of that case took many twists and multiple draft opinions. Guided by Roberts, Justice Brett Kavanaugh crafted much of what turned out to be an unsigned "per curiam" opinion -- joined by six justices, including Roberts -- returning the case to lower court judges. Kavanaugh also wrote a separate statement -- this one he signed -- suggesting it was time for the justices to resolve conflicting interpretations of Second Amendment rights.

    Challenges to other firearms regulations were pending and conservatives who had wanted to clarify the scope of the Second Amendment had to consider whether to bring the issue back to the justices.

    It takes four votes to accept a case and five to rule on it, and sources have told CNN that the justices on the right did not believe they could depend on a fifth vote from Roberts, who had in 2008 and 2010 voted for milestone gun-rights rulings but more recently seemed to balk at the fractious issue.

    In mid-June, the high court turned down petitions from 10 challenges to state laws limiting the availability of firearms and when they can be carried in public.

    The action perplexed court observers who had believed the right-wing majority was eager to further elucidate the 2008 landmark District of Columbia v. Heller. Some conservative justices indeed wanted to take up the issue, but they apparently could not count on a majority.

    Not only was Roberts, with his new position at the middle of the bench since the 2018 retirement of Justice Anthony Kennedy, controlling how cases were decided, he also was influencing what cases were even taken up.

    Also discussed is DACA, COVID, travel ban, abortion, elections, Obamacare, and Robert's health scare.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/poli...urt-liberals-daca-second-amendment/index.html
     

    Decoy

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    Roberts is a shit bag and some have even suggested that Scalia was forced to water down Heller in order to please Benedict Roberts. So all those little loopholes that exist in Heller that the left keep using to justify restriction may be Roberts doing.
     

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