1943 Mosin Nagant

G O B · Jun 30, 2021

I put a cheap rubber but pad on my M-38. Makes a world of difference! MN's are short stocked, smaller people and HEAVY clothing need short stocks. With the extended pad, the MN can shoulder properly, and kicks softer than a 30-06.
My M-38 is the one that gets thrown in on range trips, the one that is there in case everything turns to crap. When whatever else quits, the M-38 just WORKS!

Red1917 · Jun 30, 2021

The carbines have really been growing on me. They are just so much fun. You can't beat an m/28-30 though

ThePirate · Jun 30, 2021

Keep in mind that Russia with their Mosin's defeated Germany and their Mousers.

damosan · Jun 30, 2021

ThePirate said:
Keep in mind that Russia with their Mosin's defeated Germany and their Mousers.

Only because of America and her Garands and England and her Enfields.

Bertfish · Jun 30, 2021

ThePirate said:
Keep in mind that Russia with their Mosin's defeated Germany and their Mousers.

Russia with their endless hordes of conscripted peasants beat Hitler

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Jun 30, 2021

As much as I hate communism and all it stands for and represents...if it wasn't for the sacrifices of the Russians, Hitler would have been able to deploy millions more soldiers on the western front. Defeating Hitler would have been exponentially more difficult, taken far longer and most likely gone nuclear. The Brits were already scraping the bottom of their manpower barrel and defeating Japan would have taken longer as many of our forces would have been redirected to Europe.

Of all the mistakes Hitler made...one of the worst was attacking the Soviets. He signed his own death warrant doing so...not that that's anything to be sorry about.

dweissman · Jul 1, 2021

Also the Soviets beat the Nazis almost despite themselves - that is, despite Stalin. Stalin's purges of the Red Army officer corps during the '30s weakened it significantly, and central planning's endemic supply issues meant that the army was not well equipped when the war started. They had solid equipment - not just Mosins but tanks like the T-34 and KV-1 - but not enough of them.

Stalin's collaboration with Hitler in invading Poland certainly didn't help preparedness; Stalin actually refused to believe the initial news of the invasion (Stalin believed spy plane reports of German troops massing on the border was British propaganda) and he hid in his dacha for several days while the Germans gained ground.

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Jul 1, 2021

Churchill had intelligence that Hitler was about to invade the Soviet Union and gave it to Stalin. Stalin's own agent in Tokyo...Richard Sorge...also learned of the attack and told Stalin who refused to believe all the intelligence and evidence. Dictators gonna dictate...they believe what they want and their own people suffer the consequences...as well as others who suffered under their megalomania.

ThePirate · Jul 1, 2021

damosan said:
Only because of America and her Garands and England and her Enfields.

No, Russia did it all alone when Germany invaded Russia.

somd_mustangs · Jul 1, 2021

Well, mother nature lent a hand or two.

WatTyler · Jul 1, 2021

somd_mustangs said:
Well, mother nature lent a hand or two.

And maybe nature had some help. Like Stalin said "The devil is on our side. He's a good communist."

Ukrainian might · Jul 1, 2021

I still just throw a pad on to make it slightly more comfortable, but mosins are great! I love my polish m44

Neutron · Jul 1, 2021

All this talk of Russia and Mosin Nagants makes me want to dig out my 1926 ex-Dragoon. At least someone told me it was an ex-Dragoon. Not sure how you determine that. Still, pretty impressive firearm when you pull the trigger. It does kick like a mule.

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