Can I modify these rounds?

gtodave · Jun 16, 2021

Wasn't sure where to put this...it's not reloading per se but it might involve some of the methods.

I have an el cheapo 28ga auto. It cycles Winchester AA perfectly, but won't cycle a single Fiocci. The dimensions of both rounds are identical, but the AAs have a rounded front end. I'm sure this is the difference.

The question is, can I modify the Fiocci rounds to have this beveled edge? I have no reloading equipment whatsoever.

AA round is on the right

Mack C-85 · Jun 16, 2021

gtodave said:
Wasn't sure where to put this...it's not reloading per se but it might involve some of the methods.

I have an el cheapo 28ga auto. It cycles Winchester AA perfectly, but won't cycle a single Fiocci. The dimensions of both rounds are identical, but the AAs have a rounded front end. I'm sure this is the difference.

The question is, can I modify the Fiocci rounds to have this beveled edge? I have no reloading equipment whatsoever.

AA round is on the right

I had this issue with my Browning Gold Fusion 20 ga. Semi and Winchester Universal ammo. A fellow shooter suggested running them through the final stage of my MEC reloader would bevel the edge. I haven't tried it yet and you don't have the equipment, but it is evidently possible.

P.S. reloading 28 and .410 does save quite a lot of $$$$$. With costs in the sub $5 range (my current cost for 12ga. is $5.88/25 rds., and 28 and .410 uses a lot less powder and shot) and 28 and .410 running over $10/box it is worth it.

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gtodave · Jun 21, 2021

Mack C-85 said:
I had this issue with my Browning Gold Fusion 20 ga. Semi and Winchester Universal ammo. A fellow shooter suggested running them through the final stage of my MEC reloader would bevel the edge. I haven't tried it yet and you don't have the equipment, but it is evidently possible.

P.S. reloading 28 and .410 does save quite a lot of $$$$$. With costs in the sub $5 range (my current cost for 12ga. is $5.88/25 rds., and 28 and .410 uses a lot less powder and shot) and 28 and .410 running over $10/box it is worth it.

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Thanks Mack. I figured I'd probably need some sort of reloading to get this done, but I don't have it now and finding stuff seems to be hard right now.

Anybody else have an opinion? I hate to have two cases of ammo I can't use.

Joseph · Jun 21, 2021

gtodave said:
Thanks Mack. I figured I'd probably need some sort of reloading to get this done, but I don't have it now and finding stuff seems to be hard right now.

Anybody else have an opinion? I hate to have two cases of ammo I can't use.

I could be mis remembering but years ago when I was looking into reloading for 2-1/2 inch 16ga shells there was this tool that you would use with a hand drill or drill press that would sort of roll form the end of the shell. I believe this tool was heating and forming the top of the shell with pressure and friction from the spinning tool.

Edit:
I think it was this
https://www.amazon.com/Crimping-Adapter-Reloading-Reloader-Equipment/dp/B076CKBFQR

gtodave · Jun 21, 2021

Joseph said:
I could be mis remembering but years ago when I was looking into reloading for 2-1/2 inch 16ga shells there was this tool that you would use with a hand drill or drill press that would sort of roll form the end of the shell. I believe this tool was heating and forming the top of the shell with pressure and friction from the spinning tool.

Edit:
I think it was this
https://www.amazon.com/Crimping-Adapter-Reloading-Reloader-Equipment/dp/B076CKBFQR

Thanks! Using that I found this for 28ga: https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Original-Roll-Crimping-Tool-28ga/productinfo/ROLL28/

I wonder if I removed the center section if it would work for my application.

The more I think about it, the more I think I should have put this in the reloading section

HiStandards · Jun 21, 2021

If you have access to a lathe, you could make your own spinner to slightly taper the end of your shells.

John from MD · Jun 21, 2021

gtodave said:
Wasn't sure where to put this...it's not reloading per se but it might involve some of the methods.

I have an el cheapo 28ga auto. It cycles Winchester AA perfectly, but won't cycle a single Fiocci. The dimensions of both rounds are identical, but the AAs have a rounded front end. I'm sure this is the difference.

The question is, can I modify the Fiocci rounds to have this beveled edge? I have no reloading equipment whatsoever.

AA round is on the right

Dave, you can buy a MEC 28ga finish die (they are polymer and not expensive) and do it by hand or in a vise. The finish die is the die that gives the rounded edge to the reloaded shotgun shell. There is also a center post that goes with it on the press but, to do what you want, you don't need it and can remove it.

72C Finish Die - 28 Gauge 10052228P $18.17

The part number is from the MEC spare parts page.

https://www.mecoutdoors.com/8567n-grabber-parts#72

Regards,

John

gtodave · Jun 22, 2021

Thanks John. I think I'm going to try to make something like this on the wood lathe. A simple cupped piece should be able to do it. If the wood doesn't work, I can wrap it in steel metal. Then I'll spin it like the roll-crimping tool, and see what happens.

John from MD · Jun 22, 2021

gtodave said:
Thanks John. I think I'm going to try to make something like this on the wood lathe. A simple cupped piece should be able to do it. If the wood doesn't work, I can wrap it in steel metal. Then I'll spin it like the roll-crimping tool, and see what happens.

Go for it. You don't have to spin it, just push it down over the shell just like my press does for the final step. If you have a drill press, you can mount it in the chuck and it will work just fine.

haoleboy · Jun 22, 2021

An easier option would be to stop buying Fiocci ammo.

John from MD · Jun 22, 2021

haoleboy said:
An easier option would be to stop buying Fiocci ammo.

It may be the only thing available. :rolleyes:

HiStandards · Jun 22, 2021

As we travel down this rabbit hole, perhaps a better definition of "won't cycle"? If you drop a shell in the ejection port and drop the bolt does it chamber? Does the empty shell eject? I find it amazing that in general tapered rifle and pistol bullets have more feeding problems than blunt, cylindrical shotshells.

gtodave · Jun 23, 2021

HiStandards said:
As we travel down this rabbit hole, perhaps a better definition of "won't cycle"? If you drop a shell in the ejection port and drop the bolt does it chamber? Does the empty shell eject? I find it amazing that in general tapered rifle and pistol bullets have more feeding problems than blunt, cylindrical shotshells.

No, it will not cycle from the ejection port. It gets stuck "sideways" before it gets in the chamber. I've got a pic somewhere.

gtodave · Jun 23, 2021

haoleboy said:
An easier option would be to stop buying Fiocci ammo.

At ~$0.75 per round now, I'd like to use the case that I have. Certainly won't buy any more of it.

Oh, and related note: I found a forum dedicated to 28ga shotguns (talk about specific!) and the only guy on there that mentioned owning the same gun as me had the same problem with Fiocci ammo.

fabsroman · Jul 21, 2021

gtodave said:
At ~$0.75 per round now, I'd like to use the case that I have. Certainly won't buy any more of it.

Oh, and related note: I found a forum dedicated to 28ga shotguns (talk about specific!) and the only guy on there that mentioned owning the same gun as me had the same problem with Fiocci ammo.

Time for a new gun. lol

fabsroman · Jul 21, 2021

I was going to offer to help you, but then realized that I do not have a 28 gauge reloader yet. I have been saving up hulls that my son shoots, but he has not yet shot enough of the 2 cases I initially bought to make me go out and get a 28 gauge reloader.

This thread also reminds me why I only use AA or STS shells for breaking clays. They are just smooth and easy to reload.

Doco Overboard · Jul 21, 2021

If the cycling problem is the going into battery process , a chamber gauge may help you determine if forcing cone interference is hampering bolt closing.
On the flip side, if spent hull ejection is problematic a short cone that interferes with the crimp unfolding completely can raise pressure to make extraction difficult in some cases.
You would be surprised how short some chambers actually are, once checked with a gauge.
You could always find an alternate method to determine depth of the chamber but use of the gauge eliminates repeatability inconsistencies over multiple tries.

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