Life threatened at gun point, help please

hodgepodge · Mar 14, 2017

Heard About an excellent proposal this evening to allow you to get a permit now!, because of an imminent threat. With 60 days to obtain the required training. Maybe, someday, peace will guide the planets and this will be a law.

Stay safe, friend.

THier · Mar 14, 2017

hodgepodge said:
Heard About an excellent proposal this evening to allow you to get a permit now!, because of an imminent threat. With 60 days to obtain the required training. Maybe, someday, peace will guide the planets and this will be a law.

Stay safe, friend.

Proposal, means not available yet?

Stoveman · Mar 14, 2017

THier said:
Checked Iotas site, they have courses this weekend

Ugh. There has got to be someone else offering classes this weekend. Maybe a training IP will read this.

clandestine · Mar 14, 2017

Tom,

They are going to let him out. Defend yourself my friend. Reach out to the I.P.'s here that offer MD Carry Permit Training.

Keep an AR in your conveyance when you leave home. Take it to the vehicle when you leave your home and back into the home when you return.

Keep a gun on you at home.

redeemed.man · Mar 14, 2017

clandestine said:
Tom,

They are going to let him out. Defend yourself my friend. Reach out to the I.P.'s here that offer MD Carry Permit Training.

Keep an AR in your conveyance when you leave home. Take it to the vehicle when you leave your home and back into the home when you return.

Keep a gun on you at home.

Great advice for the time being. A Taser Pulse carried in conjunction with these suggestions may not be a bad idea either as a temporary fill in while waiting on a permit.

mopar92 · Mar 15, 2017

smokey0118 said:
As far as the legality of carrying, isn't there something in COMAR about perceived imminent danger. I may go look that up, but if things get real bad there's a chance you could be relatively legal to have a gun on you due to the nature of the threat. It's sad in our state we have to weigh the legal consequences of getting caught (however slim they may be if you're concealing properly), vs the very real physical consequences of a threat that is actively presenting itself on the regular. Seems like an easy choice for me...but meh. In the meantime, I guess you should just have an unloaded gun in an enclosed case or holster and spend a lot of time going to and from formal or informal target practice.

That last part I 100% agree with. As per the COMAR stuff I'm not 100% sure.
If you do decide to make a choice I can't support, endorse or suggest (in accordance with forum rules) might I suggest a Mexican proverb?

"Mejor Me Traigas Tabaco En La Carcel, Que Flores Ha El Cemetario"

GrimReaper · Mar 15, 2017

You have a better chance at winning the lottery.

Do what is necessary to protect yourself.

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Biggfoot44 · Mar 15, 2017

There exists in law such a thing as* Expedited Permiting* for cases of imeadate threat at the discreason of MSP. If you were an influencial Politician, or a gov't witness in a major drug trial, it might actually happen. Even with the elusive expedited, the 16hr training is required first.

There is a Bill currently in the House Judicary Committee than would allow an Expedited Permit to be issued first, and have up to 60days to complete the Training . But even if it ( all the steps to passage) , it would take effect Oct 1, 2017.

HeatSeeker · Mar 15, 2017

THier said:
Perp has been charged with Reckless endangerment, and First degree assualt.

Can he be bailed out?

Look him up on MD Case Search and see.

THier · Mar 15, 2017

HeatSeeker said:
Look him up on MD Case Search and see.

He has those charges listed on MD Judiciary search.

HeatSeeker · Mar 15, 2017

My permit was issued for personal protection due to a similar incident as yours. Even if you can take the W&C class tomorrow it is still going to take 3+ months, after you get all your paperwork and application in order and mail it, to receive a permit.

You will need notarized witness statements and any arrest documents you can get on the perp. Do some research on him and include any history of criminal activity or violence about him in your G&S letter. Include any threats made to you by him or anyone else. If you were injured at all take pictures and send them with the application also copies of any medical attention you may have needed. I can see this has a real urgency but don't be too hasty and send in an incomplete application packet. You cannot be overly detailed, send anything that factually pertains to your G&S reason why you need protection from this person.

HeatSeeker · Mar 15, 2017

THier said:
He has those charges listed on MD Judiciary search.

Somewhere on there it should give his bail status.

THier · Mar 15, 2017

This is all within 10 hours, so I doubt he is bailed out yet. I see nothing at all about any required bail.

HeatSeeker · Mar 15, 2017

If the charges are on case search he most likely will go for a bail review today sometime. It will then give status of his release. ROR, bail, or none. With a first degree assault charge there will most likely be bail set.

HeatSeeker · Mar 15, 2017

Texas said:
Whatever you do don't try that bugs bunny trick where he plugs he barrel with his finger. That stuff never works.

I don't know, you would lose a hand but might save your life???

THier · Mar 15, 2017

One other thing I guess I need to consider, New year's Eve he physically assualted me, I called police, never persued charges, didn't want to ruin this kid's life, I guess I should go ahead and press charges to show escalated violence?

GTOGUNNER · Mar 15, 2017

PM sent

Doctor_M · Mar 15, 2017

THier said:
Yeah, starring down the barrel of a 12 ga in the hands of a stoner is no fun.

Holy crap. Stay safe, brother. At least you can protect yourself while at home... take precautions. Keep us posted.

swinokur · Mar 15, 2017

If you are an honorably discharged vet, you are exempt from the training. Sadly MSP has 90 BUSINESS days to propcess your permit app.

ToolAA · Mar 15, 2017

THier said:
One other thing I guess I need to consider, New year's Eve he physically assualted me, I called police, never persued charges, didn't want to ruin this kid's life, I guess I should go ahead and press charges to show escalated violence?

Agreed, even if this action goes nowhere having more legal documentation on your side is going to be better should things escalate further.

If you have not read the books Deadly Force by Mas Ayoob yet, do so in your spare time. Even reading a book like this can be used as evidence to defend yourself in court should you ever find yourself in such a position.

Hopefully the kid's mom talks some sense into him and he doesn't go full retard.

Also not sure how close you are with guys at work. May want to explain the situation and show them his photo. This way if they see him lurking around you may have more time to react.

It's sad to hear you have to deal with this. I hope nothing more comes of it. If you want a friendly distraction the team is having a high power practice this Sunday 3pm at AGC.

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