Wow! I’ve looked at laser engravers. May look again.
SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - The Ban on Private Firearm Making
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Wow! I’ve looked at laser engravers. May look again.
She’s happy with the sharp graving tool approach for now, but can see where the laser systems could help a lot with certain projects. Her problem is that she’s often working with multi-dimensional curved fine metal surfaces that are polished to a mirror. Like, anti-laser armor. There are techniques (everything gets lamp-blacked or the like), but there’s a big learning curve, different technologies and supporting software … a lot to digest. Oh, and evacuating clouds of toxic vaporized metal. Stuff like that. So for the moment, she’s working with old-school techniques powered by new fangled pneumatics. Here’s part of the rig, which is also used as a tiny high speed hammer for stone setting (which is her primary use so far):
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Most of the several home made firearms I’ve seen already have serial numbers engraved or stamped on the frame by the owner or builder. If a FFL is required to mark and log all the older home built guns, I don’t see that having multiple serial numbers on a single firearm would do anything but confuse anyone running the numbers
Someone I know had a computer controlled rotary engraver. I was talking to the technician from the company that made it and he said that several firearms manufacturers used this system to engrave the lowers.
There are “CNC engraving machines” on eBay that could probably do a decent job of engraving a serial number on a gun.
Someone I know had a computer controlled rotary engraver. I was talking to the technician from the company that made it and he said that several firearms manufacturers used this system to engrave the lowers.
There are “CNC engraving machines” on eBay that could probably do a decent job of engraving a serial number on a gun.
Kharn
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I'll have to look into how a gunsmith FFL works if that ATF proposal becomes reality, and get a laser engraver for my printer.
I believe gunsmiths aren't considered retail stores, so they can be in residential neighborhoods more easily and then also transfer firearms to their own property...
I believe gunsmiths aren't considered retail stores, so they can be in residential neighborhoods more easily and then also transfer firearms to their own property...
Anotherpyr
Ultimate Member
You mean engravers I hope.
The atf killed the gunsmithing license and made them all get 07 licensed (manufacturer in firearms other than destructive devices). You can get an 07 out of your house in some places. No retail sales is the usual caveat, county depending. Just keep in mind that the atf inspects ffls. If you do it, get a separate building on your property, give it an "A" address and put the business there.
jcutonilli
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- Mar 28, 2013
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The federal (18 USC 922(k)) law addresses importer and manufacturer serial numbers with importer/manufacturer required to be in the business of importing/manufacturing. The state laws (Public Safety 5-142(a)) only talk about the manufacturer's number. There does not appear to be a definition of what a manufacturer is in this subtitle.
Nickberg500
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WWNC. See you all there, got my PTO approved 
So what happens if someone has a bunch of 80% NOT finished? Do you serialize them? I mean you own a useless. Chuck of material, just haven't worked it yet.
jcutonilli
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- Mar 28, 2013
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You would need to determine if they were an "unfinished frame or receiver". Under the proposed bill
There is some vagueness as to how "readily" may be interpreted as well as "is marketed or sold to the public"
I don't believe an 80% would be considered readily completed, but the ATF/state may have a different interpretation in the future.
I believe the "is marketed" part is a current thing, which I am guessing is not happening with your 80%. The state may have a different interpretation in the future.
I would not know where to start, i have never done any engraving that Occam is posting about. but i must say it looks interesting.
Great way to make criminals out of people that have always done the right thing. Seems or is unlawful from where i sit/stand. Shameful
Maybe soon fossil fuel cars will be outlawed. Maybe speech.
Maybe soon fossil fuel cars will be outlawed. Maybe speech.
sleev-les
Gata Needs His Gat
They don't care what happens to the tax paying, law abiding citizen. Its all for the chillrenz
This bill is a travesty and like every other bill they push doesn't deter a criminal or hold one responsible. These are always an attack on us and the 2A. Period!
Sad that this continues.
whistlersmother
Peace through strength
A rectangular chunk of aluninum is readily convertible given the right skill set.
Dirt on the ground is readily convertible given the right skill set.
Intentionally vague? Maybe someone learned from the Everclear debacle?
Dirt on the ground is readily convertible given the right skill set.
Intentionally vague? Maybe someone learned from the Everclear debacle?
Slackdaddy
My pronouns: Iva/Bigun
- Jan 1, 2019
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This or ANY bill they pass is NOT for the Children.
I'll be blunt:
If you are the correct minority, you can have a violent rap sheet decades long, and this and other "gun safety" bills will not affect you in anyway.
Remember this bill is a misdemeanor,, so a repeat felon wont spend much if any time in lockup, if they are even charged.
Remember Balt is not prosecuting misdemeanors,,,
But if You happen to be white (or minority conservative in some cases), and hold a weapon up on your own property,, They will try to put you away for a long time.
This is not speculation,, 2020-21 showed a very clear pattern of this.
I'll be blunt:
If you are the correct minority, you can have a violent rap sheet decades long, and this and other "gun safety" bills will not affect you in anyway.
Remember this bill is a misdemeanor,, so a repeat felon wont spend much if any time in lockup, if they are even charged.
Remember Balt is not prosecuting misdemeanors,,,
But if You happen to be white (or minority conservative in some cases), and hold a weapon up on your own property,, They will try to put you away for a long time.
This is not speculation,, 2020-21 showed a very clear pattern of this.
They don't care what happens to the tax paying, law abiding citizen. Its all for the chillrenz
This bill is a travesty and like every other bill they push doesn't deter a criminal or hold one responsible. These are always an attack on us and the 2A. Period!
Sad that this continues.
Maybe someone should tell these assholes that making law-abiding citizens criminals does nothing but increase the crime rate.
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