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eruby · Oct 10, 2016

Bikebreath said:
There is no such loophole. It's people bitching about a law they don't like.

Look for me at the MSI booth/table on Saturday morning.

+1

Redd Byrd · Oct 10, 2016

wowmattsays said:
Okay understood. Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly, in so many words, IS allowed with the current gun show loop hole? Thanks!

Just ask any news paper publisher or television station reporter (they are in the know)! According to their "Reporting" there are more "loop holes" at gun shows than holes in Swiss Cheese :lol2:

lee2 · Oct 10, 2016

wowmattsays said:
My understanding is that a NON-regulated long gun which is anything that is NOT listed in the MD Code that was updated in 2013 is cash and carry, no background check; just buy it and walk away with it.

A SIG P223 is a regulated handgun, therefore it would require a 7 day (most places say 8 just to be safe) "cool down" period (so you can really think long and hard about whether or not you want to shoot that bugger...) after which time you can go back to the dealer and pick up the gun.

If I'm wrong, please let me know! I'm pretty sure that is correct though

If you buy from a dealer a non reg firearm it is cash n carry as long as you can pass a nics background check. This does not apply to antiques.

kalister1 · Oct 10, 2016

Ngrovcam said:
I have never purchased a firearm at a show in Maryland...so, let's say I give in to my Freudian lId and buy a Hi Point carbine...or a Sig 225. N
Is it an online background check - pay - walk process, or is there a waiting period?

There is NO mandatory waiting period on a LONG GUN in Maryland. All LONG GUNS previously on the Wrongly termed "Assault Weapons" list are now banned for sale. The NICS check can be a waiting period of 3 days IF you get placed on hold?

wowmattsays · Oct 10, 2016

lee2 said:
If you buy from a dealer a non reg firearm it is cash n carry as long as you can pass a nics background check. This does not apply to antiques.

Wait, so even a NON-regulated firearm requires a NICS background check? This is news to me! Are non-regulated firearms also part of the "only one per month/ 2 per 60 day" rule?

eruby · Oct 10, 2016

Ngrovcam said:
I have never purchased a firearm at a show in Maryland...so, let's say I give in to my Freudian lId and buy a Hi Point carbine...or a Sig 225. N
Is it an online background check - pay - walk process, or is there a waiting period?

Look at the big brain on Brett!

lee2 · Oct 10, 2016

wowmattsays said:
Wait, so even a NON-regulated firearm requires a NICS background check? This is news to me! Are non-regulated firearms also part of the "only one per month/ 2 per 60 day" rule?

they are not.

wowmattsays · Oct 10, 2016

lee2 said:
they are not.

So you DO have to pass a background check, but you can buy as many as you like as often as you like?

lee2 · Oct 10, 2016

wowmattsays said:
So you DO have to pass a background check, but you can buy as many as you like as often as you like?

yes as long as they are non reg.

Reptile · Oct 10, 2016

It is covered in bits and pieces of this thread, but not in one place. A long gun bought from a dealer with an FFL requires a NICS check. The same purchase from a private individual without an FFL does not. Right?

mopar92 · Oct 10, 2016

Reptile said:
It is covered in bits and pieces of this thread, but not in one place. A long gun bought from a dealer with an FFL requires a NICS check. The same purchase from a private individual without an FFL does not. Right?

Depends on sellers preference AND if they are residents of the same state. If they are NOT residents of the same state they MUST go through an FFL for a 4473, and any other applicable state paperwork.

RoadDawg · Oct 12, 2016

mopar92 said:
Depends on sellers preference AND if they are residents of the same state. If they are NOT residents of the same state they MUST go through an FFL for a 4473, and any other applicable state paperwork.

Correct...

AND ... IF the seller suspects/has reason to believe that the prospective buyer is a prohibited person. The sale can not legally be completed.

The seller must believe the buyer to be a person who is not prohibited from possessing/buying a firearm, before the sale can proceed.

And this is still true at a Gun Show.

ironpony · Oct 12, 2016

IIRC Gabby Gifford's husband tried to buy an AR, filled out the paperwork and while waiting the FFL realized his intent (publicity stunt) and said No Go and the sale was cancelled. Backfired on them and the media went silent!

Oh, gun show thread, there is an 80% chance I may go or 160% ... ran out of fingers and toes to count on.

Bikebreath · Oct 12, 2016

ironpony said:
IIRC Gabby Gifford's husband tried to buy an AR, filled out the paperwork and while waiting the FFL realized his intent (publicity stunt) and said No Go and the sale was cancelled. Backfired on them and the media went silent!

Oh, gun show thread, there is an 80% chance I may go or 160% ... ran out of fingers and toes to count on.

I remember that and how it wasn't repeated for a week and a half on the news programs. Not sure which I hate more, Democrats or the MSM.

kalister1 · Oct 12, 2016

Bikebreath said:
I remember that and how it wasn't repeated for a week and a half on the news programs. Not sure which I hate more, Democrats or the MSM.

There is a difference?

dblas · Oct 12, 2016

Ngrovcam said:
I have never purchased a firearm at a show in Maryland...so, let's say I give in to my Freudian lId and buy a Hi Point carbine...or a Sig 225. N
Is it an online background check - pay - walk process, or is there a waiting period?

The Hi Point is good to go (phone background check (NICS) - cash and carry)

The Sig 225 is a 7 day wait and requires the HQL

dblas · Oct 12, 2016

wowmattsays said:
My understanding is that a NON-regulated long gun which is anything that is NOT listed in the MD Code that was updated in 2013 is cash and carry, no background check; just buy it and walk away with it.

There is ALWAYS a background check (NICS) on any firearm purchased from a dealer. MSP does it for handguns, the dealer does it for long guns and shotguns.

wowmattsays said:
A SIG P223 is a regulated handgun, therefore it would require a 7 day (most places say 8 just to be safe) "cool down" period (so you can really think long and hard about whether or not you want to shoot that bugger...) after which time you can go back to the dealer and pick up the gun.

In Maryland, it is not a "cool down period, but the time given for MSP to turn around the paperwork back when everything was done by USPS.

wowmattsays said:
If I'm wrong, please let me know! I'm pretty sure that is correct though

You did good, just a few corrections as noted above.

GTOGUNNER · Oct 12, 2016

The 30 day wait for the HQL is the cool down period!

Nosce Hostem · Oct 12, 2016

GTOGUNNER said:
The 30 day wait for the HQL is the cool down period!

These laws are like the states twisted version of handgun foreplay. 30 day wait for the HQL, walk into a dealer the day you get the card, buy a firearm and get another 7/8 day wait before you can take her out and send some lead down range.. it's like the worlds worst tease.

lee2 · Oct 12, 2016

Nosce Hostem said:
These laws are like the states twisted version of handgun foreplay. 30 day wait for the HQL, walk into a dealer the day you get the card, buy a firearm and get another 7/8 day wait before you can take her out and send some lead down range.. it's like the worlds worst tease.

Buy more than one at the same time.

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