Wouldn't it be nice if the MGA were reviewing for clarity the laws they enact instead of being bent on passing yet more ambiguous ones, he asks rhetorically.
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It's be even nicer if those A-holes only convened every other Leap Year
danb
dont be a dumbass
In a state where there is a murder a day in Baltimore, many of which do not make the news, I doubt an arrest would make it. I know this is a shock, but there is more crime in Howard County than the 3 or 4 break-ins posted on their Facebook page. Baltimore City PD posts a handful of handgun violations per week . lol. I am sure thats all there is.
An arrest and conviction would certainly get the attention of the 2A community with so many groups watching for significant court decisions. It would not go unnoticed
danb
dont be a dumbass
Y'all do realize that the AG and police view ambiguity as a feature, not a bug in the law right? And since they effectively control the legislature ....
Might the ambiguity affect SA decisions not to prosecute?
Maybe they don’t want a court ruling setting precedence.
BGOS prevents some people from doing some activities like stopping for gas.
Maybe they don’t want a court ruling setting precedence.
BGOS prevents some people from doing some activities like stopping for gas.
danb
dont be a dumbass
ambiguity cuts two ways. Nobody wants to their fate determined by 12 random people. AG does not want a court ruling setting precedence, so they make a deal. But getting the AG do drop the charges still costs time, money, your prints are in the system, you might spend a night or three in jail before you make bail, and the record will need to be expunged. Life will still not be the same.
Again because of this, the decision to stop is a personal one.
fabsroman
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Ah, got it. Essentially, it is the personal choice to comply with the exact letter of the law or pray that a judge/jury will not convict you.
fabsroman
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It wouldn't really matter until we have a court decisions from the Court of Special Appeals or the Court of Appeals. A Baltimore County Judge does not need to follow the rulings made in Montgomery County.
I really hate laws that are as unclear as this one. I would prefer that the law allow a little latitude with "minor deviations" on the way to or from the activity.
Luckily, I don't hunt with a handgun, because there have been many, many times where I have stopped to eat before or after hunting, get gas, buy a gun on the way home, etc.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
I think it would entirely go unnoticed. I bet the 2A community has no idea how many arrests and convictions have happened in Howard County, much less each and every county in the state. Plenty of people convicted each and every day on firearms charges and none of it hits the news or this board.
Perhaps a ruling would give guidance to not only SA throughout the state but to those of us who must decide the level of risk we want to assume
danb
dont be a dumbass
Meh. Carry permits do the same thing. You know, like in America.
NY State Rifle and Pistol vs NYC may (probably will) have some bearing on this dead horse next year.
NY State Rifle and Pistol vs NYC may (probably will) have some bearing on this dead horse next year.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
I hate the ambiguity in its entirety, from a personal standpoint and from the standpoint of an attorney. It sucks to have to tell clients I have no idea whether they are guilty or not because the law itself is clear as mud.
Kind of crazy that this law has been on the books for so many years, yet nobody has really gone to trial on it as it pertains to an incidental stop between going to and from the range. Then again, maybe this is the very first time that an LEO has done something like this.
Can you imagine getting handcuffed and processed over something like this? Complete BS.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
A ruling from a specific county would only cover that county. We would need a ruling from up the chain.
Maybe the General Assembly could address this ambiguity with something in the law, stating whether incidental stops are actually allowed. If they are not allowed, then state it. If they are allowed, then state it.
Then, that prevents some BS like Chow and having to define Transfer later down the road.
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For a while now, I've been reading more than posting... and for a while now I have been pointing less people to this forum. For those that I have pointed here, I have warned them of the infighting contained within. Sad... sorry Laj... I told you so...
P.S. Laj and I are good friends...
P.S. Laj and I are good friends...
There is a reason I took a self imposed hiatus, and after the session is over I will probably be taking another one, because of the infighting and associated bs.
I’m going to date myself here:
1) about 10 years ago there was a thread about some poor guy getting busted on the way back home from AGC. Woman MoCo officer reportedly busted him after a seeing his range badge and asking him questions and having him answer honestly. I don’t remember the circumstances of how he came to be speaking with her. Charges were reportedly dropped. I think CharlieFoxtrot might have represented the guy.
2) Even further back c2002-2007, the Jim Purtillo Tripwire newsletter and the old MCDL website warned of situations happening like this RoFo arrest, except the police were (reportedly) intentionally following people leaving ranges so they could bust them for the transport charge.
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Maybe instructors teaching HQL training need to add counter-surveillance to their curriculum?
roadking
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Maybe instructors teaching HQL training need to add counter-surveillance to their curriculum?
I believe some of the more “Tactical” places do offer a range of services...
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