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  • cstone

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    Dec 12, 2018
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    Baltimore, MD
    I do not want national legislation on most firearms issues. What one administration gives, another can take away.

    Each state should regulate firearms issues and let the legislators of those states be accountable to the residents of those states.

    Two issues I would like to see are: removal of suppressors from the NFA, and in fact it would be nice for bureaucrats to be consistent on safety regulation by requiring manufacturers to provide purchasers with options for decreasing the sound produced by their products. Imagine a nation where all firearms were made so that suppressors could easily be attached and that instead of permissions and taxes being required, manufacturers could offer incentives to customers wishing to make their firearms more noise friendly. The second issue would be the creation of an interstate compact to insure the recognition of citizens rights in other states as exercised in their state of residence. One marriage and driver's license is recognized and honored in all other states as issued by the state of residence. This same system should apply to the purchase, ownership, and possession of firearms in all states. Imagine being a resident of a Constitutional Carry state and having the state of Maryland or New Jersey being required to accept your firearm during your temporary stay as if you were in residence in your home state.

    Neither of these things will happen any time soon, but I can dream.

    Be safe.
     

    press1280

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    Jun 11, 2010
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    The big hurdle will always be the senate and needing 60 votes for passage. You can pass legislation in the house with a bare majority, but not the senate.
     

    Occam

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    The big hurdle will always be the senate and needing 60 votes for passage. You can pass legislation in the house with a bare majority, but not the senate.

    Just to clarify: a bill can pass the senate with a slim (less than sixty votes) majority. But if Schumer wants to prevent it from coming to a vote, he can do that for as long the filibuster rule exists and he has more than 40 seats. If the bill passes with a slim majority and the president likes it, he can sign it. If he doesn’t, he can veto anything that can’t muster the bigger majority.

    So indeed, where we sit right now, Nancy and Chuck run the show.
     

    LongRanger300

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    Just to clarify: a bill can pass the senate with a slim (less than sixty votes) majority. But if Schumer wants to prevent it from coming to a vote, he can do that for as long the filibuster rule exists and he has more than 40 seats. If the bill passes with a slim majority and the president likes it, he can sign it. If he doesn’t, he can veto anything that can’t muster the bigger majority.

    So indeed, where we sit right now, Nancy and Chuck run the show.


    So the real question becomes how does the Republican Party earn 60 seats?

    Is it even possible?


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    press1280

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    Just to clarify: a bill can pass the senate with a slim (less than sixty votes) majority. But if Schumer wants to prevent it from coming to a vote, he can do that for as long the filibuster rule exists and he has more than 40 seats. If the bill passes with a slim majority and the president likes it, he can sign it. If he doesn’t, he can veto anything that can’t muster the bigger majority.

    So indeed, where we sit right now, Nancy and Chuck run the show.

    There’s no way a stand-alone reciprocity bill doesn’t get filibustered. And if it didn’t you know they’d allow any vulnerable senators to vote yes so long as they didn’t reach 60.
     

    rbird7282

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    There’s no way a stand-alone reciprocity bill doesn’t get filibustered. And if it didn’t you know they’d allow any vulnerable senators to vote yes so long as they didn’t reach 60.


    True but the Republicans never have the balls to put it in legislation that Democrats want or something like the budget that needs to be passed. They never fight full bore and then compromise to get something they want. Dems do it all the time.
    Republicans refuse to fight the same way, that’s why this stuff never gets done


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    Occam

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    True but the Republicans never have the balls to put it in legislation that Democrats want or something like the budget that needs to be passed. They never fight full bore and then compromise to get something they want. Dems do it all the time.
    Republicans refuse to fight the same way, that’s why this stuff never gets done

    It's ALSO why the most toxic stuff that Chuck and Nancy want to do doesn't get done: because Mitch shoots them down. Yes, us not getting what we want is a type of loss. But so is them not getting what they want when they mix stuff in to other bills. It's a stand-off on most such things.
     

    bigmancrisler

    2A Preacher
    Jun 4, 2020
    1,263
    Martinsburg, WV
    National Constitutional Carry... should NEVER involve any "permitting process".

    Not EVER.

    To do so would grant a federal agency power which is NOT given to them in the 2A.

    Constitutional Carry should simply mean that the sole carry permit for every law abiding citizen... IS the 2A


    I 100% agree


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    bigmancrisler

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    Jun 4, 2020
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    It's ALSO why the most toxic stuff that Chuck and Nancy want to do doesn't get done: because Mitch shoots them down. Yes, us not getting what we want is a type of loss. But so is them not getting what they want when they mix stuff in to other bills. It's a stand-off on most such things.


    I was just thinking, why don’t we sneak in pro 2A stuff into bills like the left does with all of their anti American policies?


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    Occam

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    I was just thinking, why don’t we sneak in pro 2A stuff into bills like the left does with all of their anti American policies?

    Because they simply say they'll filibuster it into non-existence, and that kills it right there. No point bothering. And because the media carries water for them and the majority of the people in the country are 2A-hostile or extremely mal-informed, even the threat of lumping a 2A thing into a bill that would be poison for them to normally block (say, Veterans care or such), all they have to say is: "The Republicans deliberately poisoned this reasonable legislation with extremist NRA terror provisions so of course we can't support it..." and that's all that most people will ever hear on the the 95%-left-leaning media.

    And of course don't forget: even if GOP senators DID manage to get something through the Senate that includes something 2A-ish that we like, a comparable bill has to also make it through the house, which is owned by Pelosi. See the problem?
     

    rambling_one

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    True but the Republicans never have the balls to put it in legislation that Democrats want or something like the budget that needs to be passed. They never fight full bore and then compromise to get something they want. Dems do it all the time.
    Republicans refuse to fight the same way, that’s why this stuff never gets done


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    ^^^
     

    rbird7282

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    It's ALSO why the most toxic stuff that Chuck and Nancy want to do doesn't get done: because Mitch shoots them down. Yes, us not getting what we want is a type of loss. But so is them not getting what they want when they mix stuff in to other bills. It's a stand-off on most such things.


    Agreed but at least they try. Even when they’re in the minority they give it 110%


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    Occam

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    Agreed but at least they try. Even when they’re in the minority they give it 110%

    Not really. Chuck just says, “nope.” And that’s that. And when they put something stupid on a bill, Mitch just says, “nope.” That’s not 110%, because it’s a waste for either party to put in more than 0% on a bill they know for a fact cannot and will not make it through the senate. Because math.
     

    lemmdus

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    Feb 24, 2015
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    That will never happen because the Republicans are wimps and too much want to play defense, thus lose. The House passed National Reciprocity in October 2017, and it went to the Senate, then the Las Vegas shooting happened (and I think the National Recoprocity was the catalist for that shooting) and Mitch the B*tch wouldn't bringing it up for a vote bc once again Republicans are wimps. Seeing this weakness the Dems will now attack our gun right unrelenting.

    Not to mention we already have this in the Constitution, its called the 2nd Amendment. The way things are going, carry any way you want, ANTIFA and BLM seem to be able to. If you get stopped just show your Antifa badge...LOL!
     

    lemmdus

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    Feb 24, 2015
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    True but the Republicans never have the balls to put it in legislation that Democrats want or something like the budget that needs to be passed. They never fight full bore and then compromise to get something they want. Dems do it all the time.
    Republicans refuse to fight the same way, that’s why this stuff never gets done


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    This is 100% what goes on. Republicans refuse to fight, refuse to take it to the Democrats. When was the last time the Republicans actually repealed these asinine laws these Democrats passed? Its because the current crop of Republicans are afraid of confrontation.
     

    ToolAA

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    This is 100% what goes on. Republicans refuse to fight, refuse to take it to the Democrats. When was the last time the Republicans actually repealed these asinine laws these Democrats passed? Its because the current crop of Republicans are afraid of confrontation.


    The problem is that republicans are not monolithic in their thinking. Nor are democrats for that matter. My belief is that only about 1/2 of republicans would likely support national CC. This is why we’ll never see a floor vote because to do so would expose the division in the party.

    In some respects this feature of our government system is one I actually like. While in this specific legislative initiative we are on the loosing end, overall the inability to get laws passed without a reasonable majority is a good thing. Otherwise, we would be legally whipsawed back and forth with every 2-4 years.

    Remember if the democrats eliminate the filibuster this is likely what we will face going forward. Mind you that the forces against a free market and capitalism would be the ones who benefit most by eliminating this barrier. It takes time and money to adjust to new laws so rapid changes in the legal landscape would absolutely crush investment like we have never ever seen before.
     

    Occam

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    When was the last time the Republicans actually repealed these asinine laws these Democrats passed? Its because the current crop of Republicans are afraid of confrontation.

    Actually, it's because they don't run the House, and don't have a viable majority in the Senate. You do actually know this, right?
     

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