CZ Scorpion Evo Pistol to the SBR Process

HanzGrueber · Jul 27, 2016

Scorpion SBR owners of Maryland. I need clarification before i choose the pistol or the carbine this weekend. Today i was royally confused after almost walking out with a purchased Scorpion pistol. I thought i knew my plan. I have every intention of SBR-ing my scorpion, or so I thought i understand the process...

I thought I could buy the pistol, and then somehow find the 922r kit w/ the factory cz folding stock and wait to put it on (classifying it as a sbr at a total length of 25.98) not until i file and receive my form 1 tax stamp of course.

That is all i have to do to get it SBR compliant right? scorpion pistol + 922r stock + tax stamp = legal

Anything under 29 inches is considered an SBR in Maryland i thought. The sales guy in MD today told me even if you form 1 it with the 922 r stock and its still under 29 inches its still illegal. wtf?

I thought the whole point of SBR-ing the CZ was to get it under 29 which is the entire point of the $200 form 1 tax stamp to make it registered and legal to shoot? Please clarify if your a Maryland Scorpion owner and have done so.

I understand the alternative is the sig arm brace or kak shockwave/blade w/ buffer tube is ok as well, but i dont really want that.

I apologize as i know I have read these answers on here recently in various threads scattered details, but I was not sure and am looking to purchase the psitol and stock this weekend if i can find them. Otherwise it might be the carbine option.

Thank you well in advance as I try and understand this!

dontpanic · Jul 27, 2016

An SBR is a firearm with a stock and a barrel <16". In MD an SBR cannot be <29".

There us a thread here concerning your question. I'll try to find it.

Here you go

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=173598&highlight=Scorpion+sbr

HanzGrueber · Jul 27, 2016

Thanks. So at what point do you not have to file the form 1 with the pistol and stock addition? Unavoidable?

jawn · Jul 27, 2016

HanzGrueber said:
Thanks. So at what point do you not have to file the form 1 with the pistol and stock addition? Unavoidable?

If you want to add a stock to your pistol, you will have to file a form 1. There are means of getting the Scorpion SBR to over 29" - https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=173598

HanzGrueber · Jul 27, 2016

Thanks. Yea i am thinking about getting the factory stock and adapter put on (or the mapul zhukov), and then pinning a small break to get it to the 29. Then filing it for the form 1. That should do it.

dontpanic · Jul 27, 2016

HanzGrueber said:
Thanks. So at what point do you not have to file the form 1 with the pistol and stock addition? Unavoidable?

If it has a stock, the barrel must be >=16"". Any less and it is an SBR and you will need a tax stamp.

HanzGrueber · Jul 27, 2016

getting that carbine might be easier to avoid uncle sam

dontpanic · Jul 27, 2016

You can buy the carbine and SBR it later. Or not, either way you will have a fine rifle.

The paperwork for a form 1 is not that difficult. The Scorpion begs to be a SBR.

Feel free to Pm me. We can go through the process.

HanzGrueber · Jul 28, 2016

I just might take u up on that. One last thing - do I form 1 it right after I get the pistol before purchasing the stock and/or pinning a break or once I have purchased and received all the goodies (unattached) to get a true measurement to file the official modified size of the soon to be sbr?

Thank you again as I love any education I can get from more experienced and knowledgable shooters!

pwoolford · Jul 28, 2016

dontpanic said:
You can buy the carbine and SBR it later. Or not, either way you will have a fine rifle. The paperwork for a form 1 is not that difficult. The Scorpion begs to be a SBR.

So true!!

pwoolford · Jul 28, 2016

HanzGrueber said:
I just might take u up on that. One last thing - do I form 1 it right after I get the pistol before purchasing the stock and/or pinning a break or once I have purchased and received all the goodies (unattached) to get a true measurement to file the official modified size of the soon to be sbr? Thank you again as I love any education I can get from more experienced and knowledgable shooters!

Technically you should not purchase the stock until you have the form 1 stamp. Look up "constructive intent". I've always thought this was stupid because how else do you get the true measurements but many others have already done these builds so you can find the overall length for almost any build online. I shoot my Scorpion more than any other gun I own!

dontpanic · Jul 28, 2016

HanzGrueber said:
I just might take u up on that. One last thing - do I form 1 it right after I get the pistol before purchasing the stock and/or pinning a break or once I have purchased and received all the goodies (unattached) to get a true measurement to file the official modified size of the soon to be sbr?

Thank you again as I love any education I can get from more experienced and knowledgable shooters!

File the paperwork and pick up the parts while you wait for your stamp Just say OAL 29.1" when you file. It really does not matter anyway.

Read through the thread I cited, there is a lot of detail there

pwoolford said:
So true!!

oh yeah

BigDaddy · Jul 28, 2016

Neither the 922 kits nor the new carbines are easy to find. If you are going the 992 route, you might as well start looking now.

HanzGrueber · Jul 29, 2016

Thanks everyone. Any recommendations on where can I get 30 rnd mags for it ? Going up to Pa, NJ, and the Chantilly Va gun expo ... Hoping to scoop up some.

Digby · Aug 3, 2016

HanzGrueber said:
Thanks everyone. Any recommendations on where can I get 30 rnd mags for it ? Going up to Pa, NJ, and the Chantilly Va gun expo ... Hoping to scoop up some.

You won't find any in New Jersey! If you have someone in Virginia or Pennsylvania who will accept delivery, MidwayUSA has 10s, 20s, and 30s and will ship via UPS or USPS anywhere you tell them to. They also sell them for list price and shipping is pretty reasonable since they don't weigh very much.
Cheers

jimbobborg · Aug 3, 2016

Virginia Arms carries the 30-round mags.

HanzGrueber · Aug 3, 2016

Thanks. I didn't find any on my travels. But I was able to get some at the expo gun show this past weekend in Chantilly

imtan8 · Sep 10, 2016

Any update on a better way to SBR a CZ Scorpion with the Zhukov to get it to =/>29"

SBR Question
If you get an approved tax stamp and able to keep or bring it back to its approved configuration will it be possible to get a stock like this? (I'm not sure how difficult it would be to replace the stocks on the CZ scorpion)

https://www.manticorearms.com/scorpion-evo-products/scorpion-evo-slider-stock.html

HanzGrueber · Sep 10, 2016

Titleiiarms makes a Zhukov Maryland compliant - it is a little longer and hollowed out for us Marylanders to make it 29' acceptable. It's like $240 ish but the gentleman I spoke to said its a custom peice made specifically for vary jabs compliance. I think they are a PA company so they must get a lot of inquiries. Once my stamp comes in that's what I am most likely doing.

As far as returning it back to the pistol length. Shouldn't be a problem to just remove it.

SneakySh0rty · Sep 10, 2016

imtan8 said:
Any update on a better way to SBR a CZ Scorpion with the Zhukov to get it to =/>29"

SBR Question
If you get an approved tax stamp and able to keep or bring it back to its approved configuration will it be possible to get a stock like this? (I'm not sure how difficult it would be to replace the stocks on the CZ scorpion)

https://www.manticorearms.com/scorpion-evo-products/scorpion-evo-slider-stock.html

Difficulty in changing out the stock depends on the mounting method of the stock. Some use set screws while others rely on the push button underneath the stock attach point.

I sent a message to Manticore Arms about OAL with their stock and they replied"

From tip of bare muzzle to back of extended buttpad is exactly 24.0

HanzGrueber said:
Titleiiarms makes a Zhukov Maryland compliant - it is a little longer and hollowed out for us Marylanders to make it 29' acceptable. It's like $240 ish but the gentleman I spoke to said its a custom peice made specifically for vary jabs compliance. I think they are a PA company so they must get a lot of inquiries. Once my stamp comes in that's what I am most likely doing.

As far as returning it back to the pistol length. Shouldn't be a problem to just remove it.

I contemplated this route. Once my form 1 comes back ill be able to compare between Title II arms extra long adapter for MD residents to double stacked buttpads. Whatever is more aesthetically pleasing wins out. XD

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