VA Dems Calling Second Amendment Sanctuaries Civil War Flashpoints

PO2012 · Dec 15, 2019

I would like to add that it is very disheartening and disturbing to even have to discuss the possibility of civil war or insurgency here in the United States.

Unfortunately, if the State of Virginia is serious about confiscating privately held firearms and imposing a myriad of other unconstitutional restrictions (and it appears that the Governor and the Attorney General are very serious about it) the results will likely be catastrophic. Enforcement of this law will not be a simple matter of Officers or Troopers walking up to someone's home. Some form of cordon and search will have to be employed, particularly in rural areas. It will be nightmarish.

motorcoachdoug · Dec 16, 2019

Not only would it end up as a civil war if the VA Demorats did cut off power,phone, cell ect but the news media would spin it for the RATS trying to enforce legal gun laws as well plus the news media would totally ignore that the laws were illegal and unconstitutional to begin with as well. The best outcome that we could hope for is VSP and the National Guard command saying to the gov and the demorats NOPE, we not going to carry out your illegal orders but after the gov fires the head of VSP somewhere down the line will say ok sir i will obey the illegal orders and do as you command. Way to many good people both LEO and civilians will end up paying the price for the RATS stupidity...

motorcoachdoug · Dec 16, 2019

Hey I just thought of something, what will happen to the gun stores in VA if the demoRATS do pass those bills? Will VSP or Federal LEO visit the store and take the rifles and shotguns off the wall? before the VSP or national guard attempt to take weapons from the general public? No one has said anything about 1000's of stores that sell firearms to the public in VA.

sleev-les · Dec 16, 2019

Mightydog said:
Now if only the Republican elected representatives had a pair and stated the same about sanctuary cities and counties for illegal immigrants! So called sanctuary locations for illegals go against federal laws where sanctuary 2A counties embrace the constitutional rights of the people and not some elected snowflakes.

Beat me to it. They can cry sanctuary city for illegals, yet this is uncalled for. Double standards to no end..

OLM-Medic · Dec 16, 2019

The sad truth is we should have hanged these types of tyrants for treason a hundred years ago. Now we let them abuse us for so long, we can only blame ourselves.

Mike · Dec 16, 2019

OLM-Medic said:
The sad truth is we should have hanged these types of tyrants for treason a hundred years ago. Now we let them abuse us for so long, we can only blame ourselves.

motorcoachdoug said:
Not only would it end up as a civil war if the VA Demorats did cut off power,phone, cell ect but the news media would spin it for the RATS trying to enforce legal gun laws as well plus the news media would totally ignore that the laws were illegal and unconstitutional to begin with as well. The best outcome that we could hope for is VSP and the National Guard command saying to the gov and the demorats NOPE, we not going to carry out your illegal orders but after the gov fires the head of VSP somewhere down the line will say ok sir i will obey the illegal orders and do as you command. Way to many good people both LEO and civilians will end up paying the price for the RATS stupidity...

I pray that the head of VSP would bring a SWAT team to the gov's hidey hole and perp march him, dicky saslaw, and all the other treasonous tyrants to a courtroom and have them convicted of sedition and sentenced to attend a firing squad as targets.

n1hook · Dec 16, 2019

Where is the doj and state ag when it comes to enforcing the law regarding sanctuary cities,states for illegal aliens.

Gun control is an agenda, that is why we are a republic and have a constitution so billionaires or a tyrannical government cannot take away our God given constitutional rights.

Our rights Trump Bloomberg And soros who are buying every politician and prosecutor they can find who will carry out 5heir agenda

OLM-Medic · Dec 16, 2019

n1hook said:
Where is the doj and state ag when it comes to enforcing the law regarding sanctuary cities,states for illegal aliens.

Gun control is an agenda, that is why we are a republic and have a constitution so billionaires or a tyrannical government cannot take away our God given constitutional rights.

Our rights Trump Bloomberg And soros who are buying every politician and prosecutor they can find who will carry out 5heir agenda

I hate to break it to you brother, but we don't have rights anymore. The constitution is cast aside anytime they want. The red flag laws were all the proof I need to see that the constitution is dead.

Alea Jacta Est · Dec 16, 2019

Well, thus far it would appear they have got y’all’s attention.

Lots of good dialog and thinking herein.

Was I in that neck of the woods, I’d have some protocol for alerting fellow citizens/patriots and some de minimus plan(s) for coordinating our response/efforts.

They’ve got folks on their emotional heels right now with their threats and actions thus far. It’s my opinion they will not be able to use local force to further their plans. Almost certainly they will have to use regional force or even “foreign” (unidentifiable or at a minimum, force gathered from “afar”) to carry out their demands/wishes. Local forces might very well find that following their efforts they returned home to no home and no family.

The ability to collect and share intel and act in at least a semi coordinated fashion is gonna be pretty important should Komrade NorthHam and his socialist cronies take actual steps to implement their version of tyranny. Their concerns about armed citizens learning related TTP and practicing same together suggests what they truly fear.

Sic Semper Tyrannis

Look at the Virginia flag. Is North Ham upright or supine?

Allen65 · Dec 16, 2019

Norton said:
Has anyone seen the "shutting off the internet" thing from anywhere other than Hal "FBI Informant" Turner?

That's the only so called news source I've seen it from other than repeating it over and over on forums.

There'a a lot of unfounded hyperbole flying around. The problematic bills haven't even been drafted into their final form, and yet somehow people think the VA Gov is already planning some sort of counterinsurgency campaign to enforce them? Lots of folks reading too much fiction and being unable to separate it from fact.

teratos · Dec 16, 2019

OLM-Medic said:
I hate to break it to you brother, but we don't have rights anymore. The constitution is cast aside anytime they want. The red flag laws were all the proof I need to see that the constitution is dead.

Um, no.

The Rights exist. They existed before pen was put to paper and will continue to exist after the Constitution is forgotten. The only question is whether people are willing to let their rights be trampled on and when do they say enough is enough. Just think about number of gun owners in VA. If so inclined, they would roll right over law enforcement and National Guard who tried to stand in their way. There is still opportunity to resolve these issues peacefully.

OLM-Medic · Dec 16, 2019

teratos said:
Um, no.

The Rights exist. They existed before pen was put to paper and will continue to exist after the Constitution is forgotten. The only question is whether people are willing to let their rights be trampled on and when do they say enough is enough. Just think about number of gun owners in VA. If so inclined, they would roll right over law enforcement and National Guard who tried to stand in their way. There is still opportunity to resolve these issues peacefully.

Sure, the rights are inalienable and exist.

But the sad truth about the Constitution is they will ignore it whenever they want. Win one long court case and they'll make new regulations to screw you on the same issue. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but that's just how I feel.

I mean you don't even need due process to take people's guns away anymore.

rascal · Dec 16, 2019

Allen65 said:
There'a a lot of unfounded hyperbole flying around. The problematic bills haven't even been drafted into their final form, and yet somehow people think the VA Gov is already planning some sort of counterinsurgency campaign to enforce them? Lots of folks reading too much fiction and being unable to separate it from fact.

Allen, I agree there is a lot of hyperbole about reaction to the laws. but there is no hyperbole about what will be passed. Bloomberg spent more per capita in Virginia than any state and there is no doubt Draconian gun control will be passed there. Which Democrats in the state legislature are against red flag, "large capacity bans," AR-bans etc?

And with the Democrats controlling the redistricting of the state assembly members, that will occur this upcoming term, it is likely they will make the newly won competitive districts more permanently Democrats and add a few seats in 2021 elections.

Gun control used to be rated as mostly partisan issue, with a large amount of party alignment but a significant number of outliers. It is now rated as virtually totally partisan.

TheBert · Dec 16, 2019

PO2012 said:
The Police aren't going to support or enforce SB16 and the Army isn't going to rescue the Governor and the Legislature from the consequences of their folly.

If the POPO or VANG is facing criminal or civil prosecution and loss of their job will you guarantee that they will not make decisions based upon their purse, rather they will make decisions based upon their reasoning ability?

FMD · Dec 16, 2019

This is setting up as a perfect example of fourth generation warfare. If you're not familiar with it or need a refresher, here's a good primer on the subject.

https://ammo.com/articles/asymmetrical-warfare-4gw-americas-domestic-viet-cong

pcfixer · Dec 16, 2019

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...esponds-after-dem-lawmaker-suggests-it-may-be

And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law," he said. "That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has."
The resolutions passed by more than 50 counties in Virginia are not legally binding and instead serve as declarations of support for citizens to exercise the right to carry weapons.
Northam added that there will be no retaliation for the counties that pass such resolutions, noting that none of his proposed gun measures include taking away people’s guns, according to the news outlet.

Sounds like back peddling to me.

davsco · Dec 16, 2019

pcfixer said:
Sounds like back peddling to me.

i'm not seeing a whole lot of back peddling. first they had the proposed house and senate bills - AR's and parts etc BANNED, no grandfathering.

then maybe a little backpeddling - grandfathering BUT MUST BE Registered.

then full-on assault by adding nat'l guard etc may be used.

and another full-on assault by adding that LEO are fired if they don't enforce HIS laws.

the last two above are pretty bothersome, that he's willing (wanting) to push that hard to take guns out of otherwise law-abiding-citizens' hands. actually they are downright scary ie gestapo practices.

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Dec 16, 2019

pcfixer said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...esponds-after-dem-lawmaker-suggests-it-may-be

And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law," he said. "That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has."
The resolutions passed by more than 50 counties in Virginia are not legally binding and instead serve as declarations of support for citizens to exercise the right to carry weapons.
Northam added that there will be no retaliation for the counties that pass such resolutions, noting that none of his proposed gun measures include taking away people’s guns, according to the news outlet.

Sounds like back peddling to me.

Only the President can nationalize (properly called "federalizing") the National Guard into federal service. The Governor activates the National Guard for service.

N3YMY · Dec 16, 2019

Doctor_M said:
It's all well and good when the sanctuaries apply to immigration, I guess.

Funny that.

If it's good enough for the goose (immigration), it should be good enough for the gander (ie 2A).

After all, they say we are "a nation of laws".

Apparently only when it suits them... :innocent0

TheBert · Dec 16, 2019

Norton said:
Has anyone seen the "shutting off the internet" thing from anywhere other than Hal "FBI Informant" Turner?

That's the only so called news source I've seen it from other than repeating it over and over on forums.

Terestrial radio, support it. Printed newspapers and magazines, support them.

Get your HAM license.

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