Anyone getting a F4 Factory SBR Post 10/1/15

Wayne1one · Oct 3, 2015

Just wanted to see who's interested in getting a Form 4 SBR post 10/1, specifically one that's not on the handgun roster (in celebration of another unnecessary restriction being lifted). If so, what are your thinking about getting?

I will start with CMMG Mutant MK47K!!

Wayne1one · Oct 3, 2015

GOOOOF............Really thought I was posting in the NFA section, but oh well, at least it's a rifle............

LeadSled1 · Oct 7, 2015

What changed that was lifted? I looked around but haven't seen anything?

unclebuck · Oct 7, 2015

Recently passed legislation means dealers no longer need to submit SBRs to the Handgun Roster Board for review.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?id=hb0614&stab=01&pid=billpage&tab=subject3&ys=2015rs

shocka04 · Oct 8, 2015

I'm still holding off on any SBR's until they stop applying the >29" OAL rule to them.

Bertfish · Oct 8, 2015

shocka04 said:
I'm still holding off on any SBR's until they stop applying the >29" OAL rule to them.

Yep, same here. If I'm going through the trouble to get an SBR I want to be able to do whatever I want with it. Hopefully MSP yields or loses in court

fabsroman · Oct 9, 2015

Bertfish said:
Yep, same here. If I'm going through the trouble to get an SBR I want to be able to do whatever I want with it. Hopefully MSP yields or loses in court

Two ways to look at this one. You can hold out and hope that the MSP loses in court or changes its opinion. However, you then have to deal with the ATF proposed Rule 41P regarding trusts if you would like to use a trust to purchase your new NFA item.

Then again, if HR 2578 gets passed by Congress and signed into law by the President, proposed ATF Rule 41P will become a non-issue.

Me, I am going to try to get a couple SBR's right now, and then a couple more later on down the road if MSP changes its mind or loses in court on the 29" issue and Rule 41P has not been put in place.

This is enough to give a person a headache.

Wayne1one · Oct 11, 2015

fabsroman said:
Two ways to look at this one. You can hold out and hope that the MSP loses in court or changes its opinion. However, you then have to deal with the ATF proposed Rule 41P regarding trusts if you would like to use a trust to purchase your new NFA item.

Then again, if HR 2578 gets passed by Congress and signed into law by the President, proposed ATF Rule 41P will become a non-issue.

Me, I am going to try to get a couple SBR's right now, and then a couple more later on down the road if MSP changes its mind or loses in court on the 29" issue and Rule 41P has not been put in place.

This is enough to give a person a headache.

Waiting for anything gun related is never a good idea! You sir are correct, get it now and don't count on it being available, legal or affordable tomorrow! History has proven this fact time and time again! :sad20:

outrider58 · Oct 11, 2015

Wayne1one said:
Waiting for anything gun related is never a good idea! You sir are correct, get it now and don't count on it being available, legal or affordable tomorrow! History has proven this fact time and time again!

Amen!

teratos · Oct 11, 2015

Getting SBR's to not be recognized as pistols was a brilliant move on THEIR part. Remember how you could still get an AK pistol and make it a SBR? Or any other banned long gun for that matter (I think someone did an M1A). Yeah, now you can't do that.

smdub · Oct 11, 2015

teratos said:
Yeah, now you can't do that.

Why not? Can still buy an AK pistol that's on the roster and do a Form 1 SBR. (Has to be on roster since transferred as a pistol.) But you can now order a Form 4 SBR that doesn't have its pistol version on the roster (because either too new or is a banned 'assault' pistol.) I don't understand how this isn't a win for us. You can get a Thompson M1 SBR now as an example (AFAIK there is no pistol version to submit to the roster board.)

5.56blaster · Oct 11, 2015

shocka04 said:
I'm still holding off on any SBR's until they stop applying the >29" OAL rule to them.

Right there with you! :thumbsup:

teratos · Oct 11, 2015

smdub said:
Why not? Can still buy an AK pistol that's on the roster and do a Form 1 SBR. (Has to be on roster since transferred as a pistol.) But you can now order a Form 4 SBR that doesn't have its pistol version on the roster (because either too new or is a banned 'assault' pistol.) I don't understand how this isn't a win for us. You can get a Thompson M1 SBR now as an example (AFAIK there is no pistol version to submit to the roster board.)

Let's see. Ak's are banned long guns. Now a SBR is a long gun (not a pistol). You seriously thing Dumais introduced a bill without the intention of shoving it up your ass sideways?

Brooklyn · Oct 11, 2015

teratos said:
Let's see. Ak's are banned long guns. Now a SBR is a long gun (not a pistol). You seriously thing Dumais introduced a bill without the intention of shoving it up your ass sideways?

Actually its still a handgun under Md law. And was always a long gun under federal law.

I am not sure you are correct ...I just don't know..

Lawyers...???

Pinecone · Oct 12, 2015

teratos said:
Let's see. Ak's are banned long guns. Now a SBR is a long gun (not a pistol). You seriously thing Dumais introduced a bill without the intention of shoving it up your ass sideways?

AR-15s with non-HBAR barrels are banned guns. But SBR AR-15s with pencil barrels are legal.

They are only, for now, holding them to the copy cat provisions. Which will prevent flash suppressor and folding stock.

So YES, you MAY buy/possess and SBR version of a banned long gun.

What they THOUGHT they did with the bill, is not always what they actually SAW in the bill.

Hmm, time to consider an SBR FN FAL Para.

fred333 · Oct 12, 2015

Based on a recent conversation with Engage, it sounds like the SBR OAL case is mired in legal cow dung (good dung for us, but bad dung as far as making progress goes), so it may be awhile. Therefore, as others've suggested, if a trust's your preferred route of Form 1 travel, it may be better to get while the gettin's good than to wait for more infringements that may be comin' down the pike.

Jaybeez · Oct 12, 2015

Brooklyn said:
Actually its still a handgun under Md law. And was always a long gun under federal law.

I am not sure you are correct ...I just don't know..

Lawyers...???

you have to look at the 3 (now 2) definitions of handgun in md law, and what section of law they are found, criminal or public safety.

Wayne1one · Oct 12, 2015

smdub said:
I don't understand how this isn't a win for us. You can get a Thompson M1 SBR now as an example (AFAIK there is no pistol version to submit to the roster board.)

You're correct, it is a win for us! :party29:

Wayne1one · Oct 12, 2015

teratos said:
Let's see. Ak's are banned long guns. Now a SBR is a long gun (not a pistol). You seriously thing Dumais introduced a bill without the intention of shoving it up your ass sideways?

You can get Form 4 AKs now, they (SBR AKs) don't have to be on the handgun roster now, just compliant with copy cat provisions; OAL, flash hider, folding stock etc.....

Wayne1one · Oct 12, 2015

Pinecone said:
Hmm, time to consider an SBR FN FAL Para.

If I had this I probably would consider my collection complete! :thumbsup:

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