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Old December 15th, 2019, 01:17 PM #131
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This tidbit is interesting.

“Any attempt to pass or enforce an unconstitutional law -- especially any law that violates the first ten amendments to the Constitution, commonly known as the Bill of Rights -- is a crime punishable by ten years in prison and a ten thousand dollar fine for each offense (Title 18 U.S.C, Sections 241 and 242).”
A court would likely read that as being directed at law enforcement or individuals and not from federal or state lawmakers. The exact wording of Title 18 and the appropriate sections...

UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 13 - CIVIL RIGHTS
§ 241. Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any inhabitant of any State, Territory, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured -

They shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results, they shall be subject to imprisonment for any term of years or for life.


§ 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any inhabitant of any State, Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such inhabitant being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results shall be subject to imprisonment for any term of years or for life.
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Old December 15th, 2019, 01:29 PM #132
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A court would likely read that as being directed at law enforcement or individuals and not from federal or state lawmakers. The exact wording of Title 18 and the appropriate sections...

UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 13 - CIVIL RIGHTS
§ 241. Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any inhabitant of any State, Territory, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured -

They shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results, they shall be subject to imprisonment for any term of years or for life.


§ 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any inhabitant of any State, Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such inhabitant being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results shall be subject to imprisonment for any term of years or for life.
However, the statute itself is Unconstitutional and those passing it CLEARLY intend to deprive people of a Right under color of law. The lawmakers would clearly be complicit.
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Got this from Bangsteel Shooting Range;
"We got word of a train hauling military grade stuff, north of Charlotte, heading toward Virginia. If any of you get a lead on where that stuff has gone to, please update here..."

Prolly going to Pa., but the tinfoil is still warranted.
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Got this from Bangsteel Shooting Range;
"We got word of a train hauling military grade stuff, north of Charlotte, heading toward Virginia. If any of you get a lead on where that stuff has gone to, please update here..."

Prolly going to Pa., but the tinfoil is still warranted.
AAFES restocking the Class VI stores after the Army-Navy game, maybe?
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A court would likely read that as being directed at law enforcement or individuals and not from federal or state lawmakers. The exact wording of Title 18 and the appropriate sections...

UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 13 - CIVIL RIGHTS
§ 241. Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any inhabitant of any State, Territory, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured -

They shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results, they shall be subject to imprisonment for any term of years or for life.


§ 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any inhabitant of any State, Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such inhabitant being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results shall be subject to imprisonment for any term of years or for life.
As I read it, it sounds like a majority of the MD GA should be in jail, thanks to their ERPO legislation and the death of Mr Willis.

It would be a good start. . . . Well, just call me a Dreamer.
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As I read it, it sounds like a majority of the MD GA should be in jail, thanks to their ERPO legislation and the death of Mr Willis.

It would be a good start. . . . Well, just call me a Dreamer.
We just need to push it and, more importantly, find someone to file the charges.
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I expect all that 401(k) money to suddenly become soc sec money and confiscated with credit given towards soc sec pay-in. The dollar will then be devalued through high inflation - of which heating and food is not included in the figures. Retirees/pensioners won't get an actual dollar cut, but will get a purchasing power cut.

Remember inflation is a great way of cutting debt - for those that owe the debt.
*****Something like the above has been done in other countries, especially Latin America. In Argentina, they essentially took people's money (money market accounts and their equivalent of a 401k.) , and gave them government bonds at a favorable rate (at the time). The dollar was weak at the time, inflation was low, and many people were sorta ok with it. Those that saw the writing on the wall, converted their money to dollars or other currency and got it out of the country. Those that did so were thought to be "paranoid" and stupid as the rates were very favorable and even average workers could travel, and buy nice things in other countries, enjoy life, etc.. The government essentially opened up the treasury to help the "poor", printed lots of money and a good time was had by all, until the money ran out... and the World Bank and others stopped lending and refinancing debt. Once run away inflation began, folks life savings were essentially wiped out and the even those well off began struggling.

It was the classic socialist model, with a Latin American bent. Spend until you run out of other people's money. It works great for awhile, it always seems to - until it doesn't. The people voted for the socialism, the government had already confiscated firearms for the most part, and now countries with tremendous natural resources, relatively low population density, and favorable climate for farming, etc.. are broke and many many people are indigent.

I'm hopeful that there are enough people in this country to keep stupidity like what happened in Argentina, from happening here - but there are days I have my doubts.

I think it was Nancy Pelosi some years back that was setting up a trial balloon of a "one time" tax on tax privileged accounts to help pay down debt, help the poor, and less fortunate, perhaps build a road or bridge or two, and of course more money for schools to help the children. It was shot down in flames at the time, but it *will* come back up eventually once the people have been dumbed down enough in the schools.
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"One time" taxes have a way of never going away. Many years ago here in good old Marylandstan the sales tax was raised supposedly for "only" one year...you guessed it...it stayed that way. Even then the sheeple weren't paying attention and got screwed by the state. It just proves the adage "The more things change the more they stay the same."
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Just a bit of a tinfoil point here, and gun control in general.

Heard a report on the radio that the current national debt, $22t+, is like 100k+ (150k ish) per household. Forget the exact number referenced. No restraint in sight. States are getting more involved in the debt action. Buying votes is never cheap, amiright?

A means test on soc sec alone would greatly upset many folk here, as did proposed changes in other countries. You saved too much money, that the dreamer needs it more than you.

At some point, the bill collector is going to knock. I am thinking the people targeted will also be the ones likely to have guns. Best to disarm them BEFORE attempting to take their money.

Ok. Tinfoil off.

We need to get guns away from folks NOW for the safety of the children. <foil> And the tax men. </foil>
Its a lot harder to steal from someone who can fight back...best to disarm them first.
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https://www.spreaker.com/user/bangst...gCYAIeZBvfLvLc

Article & podcast on comms in the event the rats in Richmond go through with confiscation by cutting off electricity, internet, etc.
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