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Old December 15th, 2019, 09:39 AM #121
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This tidbit is interesting.

“Any attempt to pass or enforce an unconstitutional law -- especially any law that violates the first ten amendments to the Constitution, commonly known as the Bill of Rights -- is a crime punishable by ten years in prison and a ten thousand dollar fine for each offense (Title 18 U.S.C, Sections 241 and 242).”
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Old December 15th, 2019, 09:56 AM #122
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10930 is actually Highland Hills, NY. But your point is made/taken.

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Yep the government will use this back door to keep them from wanting to remove a government that will control them and do away with their rights little by little until they are all gone. Think Germany in the 10930's.
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Old December 15th, 2019, 10:06 AM #123
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This tidbit is interesting.

“Any attempt to pass or enforce an unconstitutional law -- especially any law that violates the first ten amendments to the Constitution, commonly known as the Bill of Rights -- is a crime punishable by ten years in prison and a ten thousand dollar fine for each offense (Title 18 U.S.C, Sections 241 and 242).”
Sounds like the VA inspector general needs to investigate quite a few people of their state legislature for this.
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Old December 15th, 2019, 10:42 AM #124
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Just a bit of a tinfoil point here, and gun control in general.

Heard a report on the radio that the current national debt, $22t+, is like 100k+ (150k ish) per household. Forget the exact number referenced. No restraint in sight. States are getting more involved in the debt action. Buying votes is never cheap, amiright?

A means test on soc sec alone would greatly upset many folk here, as did proposed changes in other countries. You saved too much money, that the dreamer needs it more than you.

At some point, the bill collector is going to knock. I am thinking the people targeted will also be the ones likely to have guns. Best to disarm them BEFORE attempting to take their money.

Ok. Tinfoil off.

We need to get guns away from folks NOW for the safety of the children. <foil> And the tax men. </foil>
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Old December 15th, 2019, 10:55 AM #125
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Just a bit of a tinfoil point here, and gun control in general.

Heard a report on the radio that the current national debt, $22t+, is like 100k+ (150k ish) per household. Forget the exact number referenced. No restraint in sight. States are getting more involved in the debt action. Buying votes is never cheap, amiright?

A means test on soc sec alone would greatly upset many folk here, as did proposed changes in other countries. You saved too much money, that the dreamer needs it more than you.

At some point, the bill collector is going to knock. I am thinking the people targeted will also be the ones likely to have guns. Best to disarm them BEFORE attempting to take their money.

Ok. Tinfoil off.

We need to get guns away from folks NOW for the safety of the children. <foil> And the tax men. </foil>
They want socialism. There is no question in my mind. A government cannot impose such plans on a nation before they disarm people.
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Old December 15th, 2019, 10:57 AM #126
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Just a bit of a tinfoil point here, and gun control in general.

Heard a report on the radio that the current national debt, $22t+, is like 100k+ (150k ish) per household. Forget the exact number referenced. No restraint in sight. States are getting more involved in the debt action. Buying votes is never cheap, amiright?

A means test on soc sec alone would greatly upset many folk here, as did proposed changes in other countries. You saved too much money, that the dreamer needs it more than you.

At some point, the bill collector is going to knock. I am thinking the people targeted will also be the ones likely to have guns. Best to disarm them BEFORE attempting to take their money.

Ok. Tinfoil off.

We need to get guns away from folks NOW for the safety of the children. <foil> And the tax men. </foil>
I expect all that 401(k) money to suddenly become soc sec money and confiscated with credit given towards soc sec pay-in. The dollar will then be devalued through high inflation - of which heating and food is not included in the figures. Retirees/pensioners won't get an actual dollar cut, but will get a purchasing power cut.

Remember inflation is a great way of cutting debt - for those that owe the debt.
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Old December 15th, 2019, 10:59 AM #127
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Just a bit of a tinfoil point here, and gun control in general.

Heard a report on the radio that the current national debt, $22t+, is like 100k+ (150k ish) per household. Forget the exact number referenced. No restraint in sight. States are getting more involved in the debt action. Buying votes is never cheap, amiright?

A means test on soc sec alone would greatly upset many folk here, as did proposed changes in other countries. You saved too much money, that the dreamer needs it more than you.

At some point, the bill collector is going to knock. I am thinking the people targeted will also be the ones likely to have guns. Best to disarm them BEFORE attempting to take their money.

Ok. Tinfoil off.

We need to get guns away from folks NOW for the safety of the children. <foil> And the tax men. </foil>
Social security. Lol
I pay 15% toward ss.
If I put it in a safe and stored it until retirement I'd collect more than I will get from this government investment that is forced upon me. They pretty much bung up anything they manage. I love my country but dislike my government.
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So, is this voted on in the october 2020 session?
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Old December 15th, 2019, 12:01 PM #129
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This tidbit is interesting.

“Any attempt to pass or enforce an unconstitutional law -- especially any law that violates the first ten amendments to the Constitution, commonly known as the Bill of Rights -- is a crime punishable by ten years in prison and a ten thousand dollar fine for each offense (Title 18 U.S.C, Sections 241 and 242).”
Not sure where the above was sourced, but I did find:

https://www.justice.gov/crt/deprivat...nder-color-law
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TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death."

Note: It is not necessary that the offense be motivated by racial bias or by any other animus.

I have sent this to VCDL.

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Old December 15th, 2019, 12:04 PM #130
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This tidbit is interesting.

“Any attempt to pass or enforce an unconstitutional law -- especially any law that violates the first ten amendments to the Constitution, commonly known as the Bill of Rights -- is a crime punishable by ten years in prison and a ten thousand dollar fine for each offense (Title 18 U.S.C, Sections 241 and 242).”
Section 242 would be the relevant portion because it covers acts occurring under color of law. See here:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242
That's a criminal statute, so it would require a US Attorney to seek indictments. That's exceedingly unlikely to happen against a state's legislators and LEOs for passing and enforcing a law. It's even less likely in VA's case, because it's 4th CA and involves Gunz.

OTOH, civil actions can be filed by individuals. And 18 U.S.C. 1983 covers that. See:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983
You'll still have the problem that the suit would need to be filed in a district under 4th CA, which, as we're all painfully aware, follows Justice Breyer's jurisprudence theories on 2A issues.
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