Make black powder
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DutchV
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Or you could say that as the manufacturer, whatever container you use is the original container.
It's not as though anyone is checking.
It's not as though anyone is checking.
Growler215
Ultimate Member
Should be legal as long as you don't sell it or make more than 5 lbs. But it sounds like a recipe for potentially getting a visit from a 3 letter agency.
Per ATF website, "persons engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in black powder in any quantity must have a federal explosives license, and comply with recordkeeping, storage and conduct of business requirements."
You could argue that you aren't in the business, but that won't bring your dog back to life.
Per ATF website, "persons engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in black powder in any quantity must have a federal explosives license, and comply with recordkeeping, storage and conduct of business requirements."
You could argue that you aren't in the business, but that won't bring your dog back to life.
Archeryrob
Undecided on a great many things
219 pages for you to read through
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?103852-My-homemade-black-powder
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?103852-My-homemade-black-powder
hodgepodge
Senior Member (Gold)
You just have to find the ingredients lying around.
Having made my own when getting chemicals was less restrictive, I can tell you that it is a pain in the ass.
To be safe, you need to make small quantities which by itself is a pain.
While it does work, getting consistent results is impossible, at least when I did it. Today I imagine you can buy a tool to check the moisture level but separating the cake into similar size grains is impossible for a make it at home person.
Good luck if you try it.
Like you say, consistency is the real issue when making black powder(BP). When I tried making my own BP, (wet method), after drying, I tried to use different size mesh screens to get some semblance of grain sizing. While it helped with sizing, using mesh screening was still not adequate for consistency, (even tried pushing it through the screens wet). I never could get consistent, or even close, stran/line burns compared to commercial BP and because of that, never tried using what I made in a firearm. However, BP I made worked quite well casting BP rocket motors and making big firecrackers.
Zorros
Ultimate Member
In colonial times the square dupont manuf facility was open on one side and that side faced the river. Why? BP dust in the air would explode from time to time and while people could be replaced, it was expensive to replace walls and equip.
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Rambler
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The Gorn weeps (hisses) and bleeds...
Wheaton Hills Sportsman
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Don't make your own black powder, it is incredibly dangerous. It sounds easy and it is, that is part of why its so dangerous. Invest in whatever replaces Hogdon's black powder plant, but make sure it is run by experienced professionals.
Blacksmith101
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- Jun 22, 2012
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The best site and instructions for making Black Powder and slow match I have found:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160919040622/http://www.musketeer.ch/blackpowder/bp_menu.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20160919040622/http://www.musketeer.ch/blackpowder/bp_menu.html
sgt23preston
USMC LLA. NRA Life Member
Step 1. Check with your Homeowners Insurance & see if they will cover your house if you are making Black Power & you have an accident...
Making your own BP is nuts and very unstable. When we were kids one of the fathers was really into black powder shooting. He kept all the powder locked up so we could not get into it. One of my friends had an idea, we started to buy rolls of caps which used black powder. we used a paper punch to punch out the center of the caps. Yep, you guessed it we took out a flint lock shoved the cap centers down the barrel. Flaked off enough powder to fill the pan my friend locked and fired the gun it went bang and the round hit the tree. Well, we all eventually got caught and got our asses whipped. My point is we really did not know what we were doing and could have blown up the flint lock killing or injuring one of us.
BP isn't unstable, it's sensitive. Important distinction. Unstable means it can degrade/react/etc. on its own probabilistically. BP is sensitive, in that it has a low (or at least lower than smokeless) threshold for environmental insults such as heat, friction, sparks, initiating a reaction when stimulated. But it doesn't go off on its own without some externally-provided initiation energy.
EODJoe
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Actually, all propellants degrade over time and have a probability of autoignition. This is well documented and is the reason that the military and manufacturers do propellant stability tests. The older the powder the more likely a chance of degradation and autoignition. Storage conditions obviously play heavily into how fast propellant degrades. Black powder is listed as a high explosive (hazard class 1.1 as opposed to smokeless powder being hazard class 1.4). Modern black powder is coated with graphite in order to make it less sensitive but its is still capable of generating it's own static electricity if poured incorrectly. Black powder can be especially sensitive after exposure to moisture and humidity and then allowed to dry out. Making your own black powder is definitely not advisable unless you have the proper background and a facility to do it in.
For autoignition, you need a degradation path with significant exotherm, or one that leads to extreme sensitivity. Nitrocelluose-based powders will definitely do that, that's why inhibitors are added. But what's that pathway for BP? Not trying to be a wiseass, just I'm not familiar with a mechanism for degradation to autoignition for BP.
Here is a good read.
https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2015-05/documents/9530608.pdf
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https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2015-05/documents/9530608.pdf
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