It's not an estate sale.
I'm thinking $1,000 is just a basic value assigned to certain types of firearms. They have no time when doing these things to search out gun values for the paperwork.
ATF seized Larry Vicker's collection
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It's not an estate sale.
I'm thinking $1,000 is just a basic value assigned to certain types of firearms. They have no time when doing these things to search out gun values for the paperwork.
camo556
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- Aug 29, 2021
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right, thats exactly it.
He does seem to have sold some, so I am taking a guess this might have been a business decision. Most of these ("unknown") he probably could not sell to another SOT for more than the tax write off hes getting. The HK g3 and FAL might have been an oh shit i forgot , or maybe these are not worth as much to an SOT as i think.
Just because a dealer is a dealer doesn't mean they chomp at the bit to buy guns.
People here on the forum are all emotional when it comes to guns. They would buy everything they could until they had all the crap and then realize they don't shoot it or simply got tired of it. Then you just have stuff laying around in a safe.
I don't understand the words coming out of your mouth. I love every current and future gun in my safe, in the closet, under the bed, behind the couch and on top of the cabinets like they are my own children.
MigraineMan
Defenestration Specialist
Insolent, and always dirty?
No doubt, Mr. Vickers' health situation adds a degree of complexity I cannot comprehend. However, I don't like the AFT gleefully grabbing personal property because simple-possession is magically invalidated by policy-compliance fiat.
Well, to be fair, we have zero clue about the circumstances.
camo556
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These were seized Aug 25, and since then hes done a few podcasts and videos without any mention of it.
Wish he would say something about it if only to educate ppl what happens to post sample machine guns when you give up your SOT.
RIP.
Wish he would say something about it if only to educate ppl what happens to post sample machine guns when you give up your SOT.
RIP.
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Can someone give me the cliff notes version of what happened and why they are taking his guns?
camo556
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see #20. basically the story seems to be SOT expired June 30th, these were seized aug 25th, and these are all post sample machine guns. doubtful they are worth much.
Vickers himself has not said anything tho. He has done podcasts and videos since.
clandestine
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Big channel's often create video content in advance and sometimes months pass since the video was shot. Knowing how it all works, his silence on video format does not mean very much. I have no where near the following that Mr Vickers has and I have years of video I could upload and not touch what I did last week.
Mr Vickers has made no public mention about what's going on and his closest friends are also staying silent when asked.
Mr Vickers has been liquidating a LOT of his collection.
I respect Mr. Vickers tremendously so I won't speculate any further. I know he is battling cancer and I pray he beats it. I also pray that whatever is going on with ATF works out in a positive way.
I want to treat him how I hope to be treated if the roles were reversed.
Having a FFL/SOT is definitely something that will take years off your life due to the stress it imparts.
Mr Vickers has made no public mention about what's going on and his closest friends are also staying silent when asked.
Mr Vickers has been liquidating a LOT of his collection.
I respect Mr. Vickers tremendously so I won't speculate any further. I know he is battling cancer and I pray he beats it. I also pray that whatever is going on with ATF works out in a positive way.
I want to treat him how I hope to be treated if the roles were reversed.
Having a FFL/SOT is definitely something that will take years off your life due to the stress it imparts.
Maybe I’ve missed something, but it doesn’t sound like there is a negative here. I mean, yes it sucks he had to surrender the firearms. But I am not aware of the ATF/DOJ considering charges against him. The ATF is usually fairly lenient on stuff like a license expiring and then seizing it. So long as you aren’t trying to HIDE it from them or something like that. When you are taking a large number, you usually have some amount of grace time after a license expires when working with the ATF and odds are good, August 25th is the soonest the ATF could get a few field agents together to go by and pickup all of the post sample guns, photo and catalog them and stick them in a van or truck or two and roll out with them. I’d be shocked if this was a “raid” or anything else that could threaten future criminal charges for Mr. Vickers.
Generally you don’t walk in to an ATF field office with a couple of hundred machine guns and plunk them on someone’s desk.
MigraineMan
Defenestration Specialist
Good thing he wasn't sponsoring a NASCAR team. They respond much faster to those.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Nothing you said has anything to do with what I said.
*****I know quite a few people like this. They have several hundred guns, basically everywhere in their home, some not even in a safe, and have no liquid assets. I guess they figure their guns are their retirement fund somehow, but they live off Social Security now, with no other regular income sources, are retired, and can't pay a plumber to fix their toilet - I only know this because I literally gave a range friend the money to pay to fix his toilet..
He wanted to give me ammo, and this really cool leather shoulder rig that can hold TWO S&W large framed 44 Magnum revolvers (when one isn't enough..) that he used to carry before he became so big it doesn't fit anymore...
The guy I know like this goes to the range mebbe 2-3x per year with some cool guns, but that's about the extent of actually shooting his guns. They just sit in a safe.
Ironically, a gun shop owner I know, who could buy pretty much whatever, only has a couple of guns himself, a revolver for HD, and a shotgun he inherited from his grandfather. It's true that not everyone in the gun business just buys lots of guns for themselves.
Different strokes for different folks I guess. There's probably a balance somewhere in between two extremes of gun owners. I'm in there somewhere, but I don't ever wanna have lots of guns but no money to fix my toilet! I value my guns and toilets.
bratgirllcp
Ultimate Member
I also have a a lot of respect for Mr. Vickers and Pray he beats cancer
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"Stuff lying around in a safe" will retain intrinsic value. I don't see this sort of thing as a retirement fund, but as a diversified asset.
Ammo Jon
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- Mar 3, 2008
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On the other hand I know people with million dollar collections that have only gone up in value. I guess it’s just any other investment, some are going to win, some are going to lose.
In another story posted there's this - "Vickers has until late November to file a claim, and has until late December to file a petition."
Seems there's a provision for lapsed licenses and due process, just have to see how it plays out.
According to the AFT site "These taxes must be paid in full on first engaging in business and thereafter on or before the first day of July." Not sure if there's dispensation for medical/health or other circumstances.
Seems there's a provision for lapsed licenses and due process, just have to see how it plays out.
According to the AFT site "These taxes must be paid in full on first engaging in business and thereafter on or before the first day of July." Not sure if there's dispensation for medical/health or other circumstances.
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