HQL denied to to Medical Marijuana Card?

randomuser said:

Question for those who say don't get a polymer 80. I'm wondering.

If an ar15 or a standard capacity (30 round) mag become illegal.

Will you turn them in to remain compliant?

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I can't remember every magazine I own.

The less you deal with the government or get a permission card, the better off you are. You can get CBD without a card and I use that sometimes for anxiety or muscle aches.

randomuser said:

Question for those who say don't get a polymer 80. I'm wondering.

If an ar15 or a standard capacity (30 round) mag become illegal.

Will you turn them in to remain compliant?

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I don't own any of those.

Why in the world would anyone think that after announcing that they need cannabis so badly that they’ll pay money and have a Doctor certify that they need to use a psychoactive substance to get through their day......and.....then believe they’ll be approved to buy guns??? This was something that needed to be thought about before jumping on the MM bandwagon. I didn’t even have to think twice because my profession is licensed by the state AND, you know...... guns. This should be obvious to everyone. You don’t expect caregivers in the hospital are stoned just like I expect the people around me at the range are sober.

I’m surprised by the number of enablers and those who believe cannabis use is inconsequential

fauxknee said:

Why in the world would anyone think that after announcing that they need cannabis so badly that they’ll pay money and have a Doctor certify that they need to use a psychoactive substance to get through their day......and.....then believe they’ll be approved to buy guns??? This was something that needed to be thought about before jumping on the MM bandwagon. I didn’t even have to think twice because my profession is licensed by the state AND, you know...... guns. This should be obvious to everyone. You don’t expect caregivers in the hospital are stoned just like I expect the people around me at the range are sober.

I’m surprised by the number of enablers and those who believe cannabis use is inconsequential

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Agreed. I don't see why people would think that a drug that would make you a prohibited person and not given the "OK" by the feds would be "overruled" by the MD Legislature.

Not being a smartass, but I thought it was common knowledge.

JPG said:

Agreed. I don't see why people would think that a drug that would make you a prohibited person and not given the "OK" by the feds would be "overruled" by the MD Legislature.

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Especially when it expressly says so in the paperwork. The last forms I saw had a notation about how it doesn't matter if it is legal in your state, it is still illegal according to the feds.

Of course that was not an exact quote but even where pot is like beer and cigarettes legal they make it clear it is a no go. But then as the OP was talking about, this is not a recreational thing it is a medical thing and I am not wondering about HIPAA and why is that info not protected info? - sorry if this was covered, I admit not reading the thread....

Blasting said:

Especially when it expressly says so in the paperwork. The last forms I saw had a notation about how it doesn't matter if it is legal in your state, it is still illegal according to the feds.

Of course that was not an exact quote but even where pot is like beer and cigarettes legal they make it clear it is a no go. But then as the OP was talking about, this is not a recreational thing it is a medical thing and I am not wondering about HIPAA and why is that info not protected info? - sorry if this was covered, I admit not reading the thread....

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HIPAA:

You literally put yourself on a government registry to use marijuana “legally”. HIPAA doesn’t come into play AT ALL. This is an agreement between you and your state.

funny oxymoron or just moron..ic? some claim states rights over fed, especially wit hrespect to 2A. My brother is one who tells me so we screwed in MD. But, when it comes to Pot- I am 54 and only tried once in 11th grade at a party.... hated it.. Fed supercedes. funny how some pick and choose.

Perhaps makes no sense what I was trying to state. I agrue with one of my younger brothers about the 2A and how some think states over fed rights, etc. long and drawn out so nevermind.

Rosanne Rosannadanna shakes her head ruefully


Plus, 16 pages? We discussed this ad nausium prior to legalization and how a way to block people from owning firearms since their state allows but Federally, still illegal.


Doing my best eRuby..give no fawkes.

teratos said:

HIPAA:

You literally put yourself on a government registry to use marijuana “legally”. HIPAA doesn’t come into play AT ALL. This is an agreement between you and your state.

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I clearly do not understand this, but then this type of thing was never a concern to me. Why would an entry on a govt form be outside HIPAA unless that is part of the agreement?

If the MM request says the user must agree to waive rights or have their MM info public, then that would explain it.

Hotartchick said:

Another for of government control. Get everyone on Legal Marijuana but you forfeit your right to own a firearm.

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Said that when the talk of such a card was going to be issued.... nobody listened lol ..... “legal marijuana” is not an accurate term.... the correct one would be “permitted use”

exactly

pjd832 said:

Said that when the talk of such a card was going to be issued.... nobody listened lol ..... “legal marijuana” is not an accurate term.... the correct one would be “permitted use”

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yup hence, the ad nauseum mention in my post. We all talked about how it screws people. States see it as primarily a money cash cow for their coffers and secondarily, a way to block people from owning firearms..

fauxknee said:

Why in the world would anyone think that after announcing that they need cannabis so badly that they’ll pay money and have a Doctor certify that they need to use a psychoactive substance to get through their day......and.....then believe they’ll be approved to buy guns??? This was something that needed to be thought about before jumping on the MM bandwagon. I didn’t even have to think twice because my profession is licensed by the state AND, you know...... guns. This should be obvious to everyone. You don’t expect caregivers in the hospital are stoned just like I expect the people around me at the range are sober.

I’m surprised by the number of enablers and those who believe cannabis use is inconsequential

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But..but..but..they can still get a license and drive a car stoned. In D.C. and Baltimorgue you can get high just walking on the sidewalk from all the secondhand smoke coming from the vehicles going by.

Blasting said:

I clearly do not understand this, but then this type of thing was never a concern to me. Why would an entry on a govt form be outside HIPAA unless that is part of the agreement?

If the MM request says the user must agree to waive rights or have their MM info public, then that would explain it.

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HIPPA prevents a health care provider from discussing your medical conditions. It doesn't prevent anyone else from doing it. If pot was legal to be sold to anyone with an Rx in a pharmacy, you'd probably have a case. It isn't though.

I would contact the training facility an ask for my $$$$$$$ back. That is one of the first Laws/Rules that John at Fortress Training said in the class...

Mightydog said:

But..but..but..they can still get a license and drive a car stoned. In D.C. and Baltimorgue you can get high just walking on the sidewalk from all the secondhand smoke coming from the vehicles going by.

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So you are suggesting that MM people should have their DL’s revoked and I agree. There’s a lack of knowledge being displayed in this thread so I’m gonna give my understandings as a healthcare worker that sees the negative effects of relying on cannabis for one reason or another.

A “patient” that seeks a “card” has “supposedly” EXHAUSTED ALL KNOWN MEDICAL TREATMENTS WITH NO RELIEF OF THEIR CRIPPLING AILMENTS. Think about that a second. It means that there is no Doctor that can help you with known treatments. So basically you shouldn’t be driving a vehicle anyway and you should be taken care of by others. Yet there are “Providers” that will give you a card because you’re giving them $1k cash money to say that you are untreatable by modern medicine. If the OP is going to be angry with anyone it should be that Provider that certified you as dependent on cannabis. Why do you think most Providers would never “prescribe” cannabis??? Currently the negative effects of this psychoactive substance out way any positive but it’s a money grab and Providers can make a living off of potheads. If you’re too stupid and announce that you’re a pot smoker, aka federal offender, then you should be restricted. I’m sickened by potheads that seek a card so they have an unending supply of weed. Think about the cancer patients that this is intended for.

To those worried about HIPAA.......If the BATFE is asking you personal information then Congress and Clinton gave them permission to know if your a drug user. You answer those questions without hesitation because you want that gun. HIPAA is regulation on healthcare, not government. HIPAA is a fricken joke like the President that signed it into law.

Cannabis is pervasive in our communities and no one needs a card. Everywhere I go I smell cannabis coming from vehicles. It’s especially scary when I’m on my Harley.

From the start this is not a 2A issue.....this is a professed drug user crying cuz they didn’t do their homework.

Take away from my rant?......Don’t get a card......ask your neighbor where he gets his

Occam said:

You'll need to stick with medieval weapons.

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I'm a big fan of the tomahawk....even if you have an ARs and sidearms. It's a very American accessory.

possumman said:

Dave's not here!

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WeaponsCollector said:

Nothing good can come from getting HQL's and medical marijuana cards! Definitely easy ways around both of them!

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First rule of the MJ club.......




Can't believe no one's said that as of yet.....

nice ring to it~

I like the phase " stone cold stupid imoral losers." Does describe politicians to a T. One of your best my friend!!!

Alea Jacta Est said:

Medical marijuana...has a nice ring to it.

I’m dead sure it has application and provides relief. I didn’t make it illegal. I did make a living in an outfit that spent lots of taxpayer money in the misnamed WAR ON DRUGS. Tax that shit and be done with it.

Politicians are stone cold stupid, immoral losers. The folks that elect and re-elect them get exactly what they deserve.

As long as MJ is illegal and BATFE controls guns and ammo, MM is gonna be a disqualifier.

To be surprised is imo naive. I get it if you’re angry but surprised? You’re looking at all of this the wrong way.

Legislation and our legal system are designed to make our money theirs. Period.

Anything that is so complex, ambiguous and or ignorant is an excuse for the septic system that is our machinery of jurisprudence to aggressively assault our precious personal assets...time and money.

C’mon. It’s simple.

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joppaj said:

HIPPA prevents a health care provider from discussing your medical conditions. It doesn't prevent anyone else from doing it. If pot was legal to be sold to anyone with an Rx in a pharmacy, you'd probably have a case. It isn't though.

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Again, I am not expert but a quick search on HIPAA says otherwise. Many protections and it is not limited to healthcare providers. Even the servers and storage of data is protected and must be handled in a specific way.

One site for nurses said the MM is conducted via a medical doctor and the treatment prescribed is just as HIPAA protected as anything. They did say if ya used a credit card that it is not possible to protect that transaction.

So I believe we are back to the MD MM registration - do they have some way to get around not protecting the medical information? IDK, I have never seen the forms and do not know what the fine print, or any print, says about the procedure.