77R Secondary Sale Question

D-Log · Nov 26, 2020

Hello, got a quick question about doing a secondary sale...

I’m trying to sell a AR15 Lower receiver to a guy I volunteer with at the firehouse, but when he started doing the application, it asked for all of my info including my drivers license and social security number. Can I access his application to put it in privately (that’s not something I want floating around), or do I have to give him my information? This is my first time doing a secondary sale, so I’m a little unsure of what is needed on my end. If anyone knows the answers, I’d love to hear them. Thank you all and Happy Thanksgiving

MaicoBill · Nov 26, 2020

Wouldn’t you transfer thru a FFL ?

dontpanic · Nov 26, 2020

MaicoBill said:
Wouldn’t you transfer thru a FFL ?

Yes, it needs to go through a FFL. MDSP is not doing them right now.

The buyer will log in and start an application then you will both show up at the FFL with the lower. They'll finish the paperwork and hold the lower until he gets his "not disapproved" email 7 days later.

If you live near Dubdalk, Bluefins is a great place for transfers.

D-Log · Nov 27, 2020

I called the pikesville barracks, they said they were doing them (unless the officer was mistaken).

John from MD · Nov 27, 2020

Me and another MDS member just did one at the Glen Burnie barracks. They are doing transfers.

Skipjacks · Nov 27, 2020

I thought AR-15's were treated as any other rifle/long gun in MD and could be sold cash and carry to any non prohibited person

Has that changed?

rseymorejr · Nov 27, 2020

Skipjacks said:
I thought AR-15's were treated as any other rifle/long gun in MD and could be sold cash and carry to any non prohibited person

Has that changed?

OP is selling a lower receiver, they are regulated

Mark75H · Nov 27, 2020

Skipjacks said:
I thought AR-15's were treated as any other rifle/long gun in MD and could be sold cash and carry to any non prohibited person

Has that changed?

He is just transferring a receiver because it could be a pistol it’s a 77r transfer

I think you’re right if it was a complete heavy barrel rifle it’s just a rifle

Skipjacks · Nov 27, 2020

Mark75H said:
He is just transferring a receiver because it could be a pistol it’s a 77r transfer

I think you’re right if it was a complete heavy barrel rifle it’s just a rifle

Important distinction that I was not thinking about. Thank you for clarifying!

My god MD gun laws are stupid. :sad20:

"If you sell this one piece that doesn't work by itself it is super dangerous and must be ultra regulated! But if you included a bunch of other pieces that make it a functional firearm then it's not dangerous at all and does not have to be regulated." - This is what happens when legislatures who don't understand guns make gun laws.

Sundazes · Nov 27, 2020

So when doing one at the MSP, does the seller complete the app there or does that info need to be completed prior to going to the barracks?
Or
If I was a buyer, do I get the sellers info and add it?

John from MD · Nov 27, 2020

The buyer has to complete the 77R before going to the office. The seller needs to get the info from the buyer and add it to the form. You can do it on a smart phone on the day you meet at the barrack if you want to.

D-Log · Nov 27, 2020

How though? I thought only the seller could access the 77R online

John from MD · Nov 27, 2020

I've seen it done but I don't know how either.

dblas · Nov 27, 2020

D-Log said:
How though? I thought only the seller could access the 77R online

The buyer gives the seller the pin code for the 77R, and the seller fills in his info.

John from MD · Nov 27, 2020

I just sat next to the buyer and he entered the info on his smart phone. I'm assuming even none HQL holders can set up an account in the Licensing Portal since the guy I am selling my pistol to has no HQL. (It's a C&R)

marquis708 · Nov 27, 2020

Bluefins is the best. Those guys really are very hrlpful.

sxs · Nov 28, 2020

John from MD said:
I just sat next to the buyer and he entered the info on his smart phone. I'm assuming even none HQL holders can set up an account in the Licensing Portal since the guy I am selling my pistol to has no HQL. (It's a C&R)

You are correct. Non HQL holders can set up an acct. One acquaintance of mine purchased several C&R handguns and a couple lowers before getting his HQL to purchase modern handguns.

lazarus · Nov 30, 2020

Memory serves the one barracks transfer I did, the trooper on duty pulled up the application and entered the seller info as well as firearm serial, etc.

My Toy · Nov 30, 2020

dblas said:
The buyer gives the seller the pin code for the 77R, and the seller fills in his info.

When the buyer gives the seller his pin code and the seller pulls up the application and enters his info (name, address, driver license, soc. sec. #) is the sellers private info viewable to the buyer or anyone else? Also does the seller if he doesn't have an HQL need to establish an account? Reason I ask is that I have sold several regulated firearms through MDS and the buyers were established forum members and I did give them my info for the application. Even so maybe that was not wise but I have gotten inquiries on some guns by new members with zero posts (ie. no track record of posts that can give you some idea about them and how long they have been here).

dblas · Nov 30, 2020

My Toy said:
When the buyer gives the seller his pin code and the seller pulls up the application and enters his info (name, address, driver license, soc. sec. #) is the sellers private info viewable to the buyer or anyone else?

Obviously it's viewable by MSP. I'm not sure about the buyer. I'm not sure about the buyer, but once you fill out your part, MSP fills out their part (or the FFL) and submits it to MSP. But when I have bought a firearm via private sale, I have requested a receipt with the seller's name and address. SS# is not required to complete a sale on a 77R or a 4473.

My Toy said:
Also does the seller if he doesn't have an HQL need to establish an account?

Yes, they need to have an account, there is no other way to log in without one.

My Toy said:
Reason I ask is that I have sold several regulated firearms through MDS and the buyers were established forum members and I did give them my info for the application. Even so maybe that was not wise but I have gotten inquiries on some guns by new members with zero posts (ie. no track record of posts that can give you some idea about them and how long they have been here).

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