MD CCW, is it legal to put pistol in car lock box to enter "gun free zone" store.

ironpony · Aug 26, 2019

I heard it was illegal to lock a pistol in your vehicle in the case you need to go somewhere they are declared unwelcome. Fact or Fiction?

For instance, You go out to pick up a new car battery and there is a "No firearms" sign on the door. By law do you have to take the pistol somewhere to store it and return later, unarmed?

John from MD · Aug 26, 2019

rbird7282 · Aug 26, 2019

Signs in MD do not have the force of law. (Not talking about government buildings here) If it’s discovered you’re carrying you can be asked to leave and if you don’t you can be arrested for trespassing.

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Occam · Aug 26, 2019

So the real focus of this question is: what are the particulars of a permitted carrier storing the handgun in the vehicle while in someplace you can’t carry (say, the post office).

Boats · Aug 26, 2019

ironpony · Aug 26, 2019

Occam said:
So the real focus of this question is: what are the particulars of a permitted carrier storing the handgun in the vehicle while in someplace you can’t carry (say, the post office).

Yes.

I was also told if arrested for trespass with that gun (printing or someone sees it etc)you could lose firearms privileges all together.

rseymorejr · Aug 26, 2019

ironpony said:
Yes.

I was also told if arrested for trespass with that gun (printing or someone sees it etc)you could lose firearms privileges all together.

You'd have to be pretty stupid to get arrested for trespassing in a case like this.
They ask you to leave, you leave and don't get arrested. If you have it well concealed, what they don't know won't hurt them

babalou · Aug 26, 2019

approval

rseymorejr said:
You'd have to be pretty stupid to get arrested for trespassing in a case like this.
They ask you to leave, you leave and don't get arrested. If you have it well concealed, what they don't know won't hurt them

Jonah Falcon approves-- Try looking that one up hahahahaha San Fran Airport

danb · Aug 26, 2019

Just carry your fake badge that looks like a real one, on your belt, you will be fine. :rolleyes:

CroftonBilly · Aug 26, 2019

rbird7282 said:
Signs in MD do not have the force of law. (Not talking about government buildings here) If it’s discovered you’re carrying you can be asked to leave and if you don’t you can be arrested for trespassing.

If you have a MD Law citation/reference for that information, can you please email it to the folks at https://www.handgunlaw.us/ so they can update their Maryland pdf. (See page 6 of the current document: https://www.handgunlaw.us/states/maryland.pdf)

(Generally, that website is generally a great concise and current resource to review before carrying anywhere, and answers general questions like these for each state.)

Occam said:
So the real focus of this question is: what are the particulars of a permitted carrier storing the handgun in the vehicle while in someplace you can’t carry (say, the post office).

I can't find the reference now, but there have been prior discussions about the parking lots of post offices also being classified as federal property, so take that into consideration if your question isn't directly answered here.

welder516 · Aug 26, 2019

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1841DNG · Aug 26, 2019

CroftonBilly said:
I can't find the reference now, but there have been prior discussions about the parking lots of post offices also being classified as federal property, so take that into consideration if your question isn't directly answered here.

Not a lawyer, and not a federal employee so take with a heap of salt, but I have been told by a federal type person that at least with their agency the building itself was off limits but the rest of the property was treated the same as the rest of the state. So I believed that I could legally leave something in the car in the parking lot. I would love to hear from an actual lawyer on this.

e. but of course this was not at a military facility. As far as I know they can and will search your car and don't take kindly to unauthorized weapons.

welder516 · Aug 26, 2019

As far as I know signs mean nothing in Maryland , I have carried into places that had them . I have a lockbox in my vehicle Maryland laws are stupid , we try to be good law abiding citizens and when we lock our stuff up they want to say it's illegal . SMH

ironpony · Aug 26, 2019

rseymorejr said:
You'd have to be pretty stupid to get arrested for trespassing in a case like this.
They ask you to leave, you leave and don't get arrested. If you have it well concealed, what they don't know won't hurt them

I never mentioned being asked to leave, these days people do not address those suspected of having a concealed weapon, they would be as stupid as myself. I thought no question was a stupid question but I'll be the village idiot and try to delete the thread.

ok, looking for fake badges .... :innocent0

John from MD · Aug 26, 2019

1841DNG said:
Not a lawyer, and not a federal employee so take with a heap of salt, but I have been told by a federal type person that at least with their agency the building itself was off limits but the rest of the property was treated the same as the rest of the state. So I believed that I could legally leave something in the car in the parking lot. I would love to hear from an actual lawyer on this.

That was true about my organization as well. After 9/11, we redid our security and put bullet proof windows, cameras, hot buttons etc. to include no firearms ( unless you were on duty or mission required).

During the confusion of 9/11, everyone that owned an AR had it and plenty of ammo in their vehicle. :lol:

ericahls · Aug 26, 2019

ironpony said:
I heard it was illegal to lock a pistol in your vehicle in the case you need to go somewhere they are declared unwelcome. Fact or Fiction?

For instance, you go out to pick up a new car battery and there is a "No firearms" sign on the door. By law do you have to take the pistol somewhere to store it and return later, unarmed?

No Firearms signs don't mean shit, UNLESS Federal building or in COMAR. They don't carry the force of law. If the business finds out SOMEHOW, that you are carrying CONCEALED, then all they can do is ask you to leave. If you refuse, you WILL be arrested for trespassing. Possibly will have your permit revoked for causing undue apprehended danger.

The whole point of carrying concealed is so that you can stand in front of 5 cops and they shouldn't know you are carrying. I have tested this a few times, never once been asked if I was packing.

ToolAA · Aug 26, 2019

What about gun free school zones?

My understanding of the federal law is that if a person is licensed they may have the gun unloaded and stored in a locked container within the zone.

However since the law specifies that the restriction zone extends to public lands 1000 from the school property. Does then mean that you have to stop unload and store your gun when driving on a public road near a school within the zone?

Occam · Aug 26, 2019

We all know we can't carry it into (for example) the post office. But I'll bet I'm not the only one not easily fining a definitive answer to the question: does MD law treat a permit holder differently (leaving restrictions out of it for the moment) than a non-permit holder when it comes to leaving a loaded handgun in the vehicle while the owner is outside the vehicle?

ADR · Aug 26, 2019

1841DNG said:
Not a lawyer, and not a federal employee so take with a heap of salt, but I have been told by a federal type person that at least with their agency the building itself was off limits but the rest of the property was treated the same as the rest of the state. So I believed that I could legally leave something in the car in the parking lot. I would love to hear from an actual lawyer on this.

e. but of course this was not at a military facility. As far as I know they can and will search your car and don't take kindly to unauthorized weapons.

For those who are curious...

18 USC 930 (a) Possession of a firearm and dangerous weapon in Federal facilities.

Sentence - 1 Year/$100,000

rseymorejr · Aug 26, 2019

ironpony said:
I never mentioned being asked to leave, these days people do not address those suspected of having a concealed weapon, they would be as stupid as myself. I thought no question was a stupid question but I'll be the village idiot and try to delete the thread.

ok, looking for fake badges ....

You're not trespassing until they ask you to leave and you refuse to go. Could be the store manager or the police (if they called them) Once they ask you to leave, you leave. No trespassing.

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