Hap Baker & Mosin Nagant

JoeyBimmer · Aug 19, 2020

So I was shooting today at Hap Baker. After chewing through about 40 rounds the one of the nice gentlemen at the range comes over to talk to me. He tells me that a Mosin has to be single fed and I cannot shoot from the internal magazine. He goes on to explain that a few years back someone blew there hands off from a double feed.

I cannot for the life of me understand how someone could double feed a Mosin. Maybe someone had a weak barrel and it just blew up?

Can anyone lend some insight, this was kind of a bummer and I didn't pew the last 20 rounds I had because single feeding the riffle felt super annoying to me.

HonestFool03 · Aug 19, 2020

Hap baker RSO'S have always been a crotchety bunch of FUDDs. Was that rule posted anywhere?

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Bullfrog · Aug 19, 2020

Sounds like a tall tale. It doesn't sound to me like that could happen either. Besides, if that had happened there, or anywhere, it would have been talked about all over this forum, and I haven't seen that in the 11 years I've been here.

I remember shortly after I joined someone commented here that they had accidently (or perhaps deliberately) found that they could chamber .308 in a Mosin.

Weeks later I was at Hap Baker with a Mosin and the RSO came over and fingered through my ammo. He claimed that people "had been shooting .308 in their Mosins"... as if that were a common thing that "people" were doing.

I respect the RSOs and appreciate what they do, but sometimes they seem to read about something that someone somewhere claims happened to someone else and they run to extremes with it.

Doco Overboard · Aug 19, 2020

I seen a picture of a Mosin that was double fed supposedly resulting in a minor catastrophe for the shooter.
Maybe it was here? Cant remember.
Not the first time I heard of that happening over the years however.
308? Doesn't ring a bell in any instance that I remember reading or seeing the results thereof.

Doco Overboard · Aug 19, 2020

Not hard to find. Over-sensitized primers, operator error, willful destruction, bad day at the range -who knows.

Bullfrog · Aug 19, 2020

Doco Overboard said:
308? Doesn't ring a bell in any instance that I remember reading or seeing the results thereof.

This is the thread I was thinking about.

Shooting .308 out of an M44?

And this was the RSO's reaction. He interrogated every Mosin user for months after.

shooting the wrong ammo in any gun is!!!!!!!!!UNSAFE!!!!!!!! AND STUPID.
DON'T EVER SHOW UP AT MY RANGE, GOT IT

Obviously he was correct, but he sort of fixated on the topic.

Bullfrog · Aug 19, 2020

Doco Overboard said:
Not hard to find. Over-sensitized primers, operator error, willful destruction, bad day at the range -who knows.

Interesting. I wonder if there was already a live round chambered and the user tried to chamber a second one a little too forcefully.

That would require a round chambered but not fired and a malfunctioning extractor... ?

Bountied · Aug 19, 2020

Failure to extract a live round then feeding another round into the live round still in the chamber. I've heard about this at Hap Baker before. I think they have a sign up somewhere that singles out Mosins or it was in their morning safety brief I can't remember. Since there wouldn't be an obstruction to create a high pressure situation I wouldn't think it would blow your hands off and I've never heard that part of the story either. My BIL took his Mosin there and they said the same thing about loading a single round at a time.

Bountied · Aug 19, 2020

Bullfrog said:
Interesting. I wonder if there was already a live round chambered and the user tried to chamber a second one a little too forcefully.

That would require a round chambered but not fired and a malfunctioning extractor... ?

They could have hand loaded a round and not closed the bolt all the way pushing the round into the chamber but not enough for the extractor to catch the rim. Then they tried to load another round with the live round still in the chamber. I would think this scenario could happen if you were feeding from the mag or loading one at a time. I've seen it an AR's but the bullet didn't hit the primer on the round in the chamber. An odd double feed event.

Doco Overboard · Aug 19, 2020

Bullfrog said:
This is the thread I was thinking about.

Shooting .308 out of an M44?

And this was the RSO's reaction. He interrogated every Mosin user for months after.

Obviously he was correct, but he sort of fixated on the topic.

I see, people are nuttier than I am I guess.
Maybe some guys were running .308 bullet in rifles with tight bores and he was a teetotaler or misunderstood some of the rifles characteristics.

Some of these old rifles built in demanding environments with emergency steels you have to have a certain measure of "this may blow up in my face" no matter how hard I try not to.

He must have observed some dumbness and was worried about someone getting hurt.
I don't know anyone over there that I'm aware of so cant say.

I was next to a guy who had a blow up and it scared the hell out of me till I knew what the hell happened. :eek:

Doco Overboard · Aug 19, 2020

Bullfrog said:
Interesting. I wonder if there was already a live round chambered and the user tried to chamber a second one a little too forcefully.

That would require a round chambered but not fired and a malfunctioning extractor... ?

Thats what they determined after everything was sorted out.
This instance isn't what I was referring to initially, it was a thread on another forum where someone had either their daughter, wife or another female that managed to double feed a Mosin with the same result.
No serious injury but a wrecked rifle or bolt mechanism.

NY Transplant · Aug 19, 2020

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=180151&highlight=hap+baker+accident

brownspotz · Aug 19, 2020

its ok, I've got better crap baker stories. I was shooting my .44 Henry Golden boy and my ak. I was told that Henry's are dangerous as he'd
seen the brass receiver explode on them therfore I couldn't shoot it there anymore. the ak was also a wmd and deemed too dangerous. this was a few years ago. I haven't been back ever since.

John from MD · Aug 19, 2020

Are these guys employed by the county? If so, I would report them to their superiors. I have been an RSO (both NRA and agencies) and can't stand people who are overly officious or who harass shooters for no good reason. l have heard enough stories of people who won't go to ranges because of bad behavior of the RSO's.

That said, I come down pretty hard on someone who does dangerous things like, sweeping people, negligent discharge, not properly clearing their weapon or handling a weapon during a cease fire. I would never do stupid shit like tell someone that his particular gun can explode so he can't shoot it. Ridiculous. :sad20:

Pinecone · Aug 19, 2020

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/mosin-problems.59985/

How to fix:

This one claims it cannot happen:

woodline · Aug 19, 2020

brownspotz said:
its ok, I've got better crap baker stories. I was shooting my .44 Henry Golden boy and my ak. I was told that Henry's are dangerous as he'd
seen the brass receiver explode on them therfore I couldn't shoot it there anymore. the ak was also a wmd and deemed too dangerous. this was a few years ago. I haven't been back ever since.

I don’t suppose Hap Baker was either super full or super empty when this happened? I’ve seen the RSOs there pull crap like that when they want to get their buddy on the line or when they don’t want to do their jobs anymore and are trying to get you to go home.

I wish someone was able to get some of their antics on camera.

outrider58 · Aug 19, 2020

fbi_surveillance_van said:
I don’t suppose Hap Baker was either super full or super empty when this happened? I’ve seen the RSOs there pull crap like that when they want to get their buddy on the line or when they don’t want to do their jobs anymore and are trying to get you to go home.

I wish someone was able to get some of their antics on camera.

Wow

Bertfish · Aug 19, 2020

And what exactly will he do if you tell him to suck it?

It's not a safety infraction. You've done nothing wrong.

tallen702 · Aug 19, 2020

Pinecone said:
This one claims it cannot happen:

He's correct. So long as the magazine interrupter hasn't been removed or broken, it's impossible to double-feed from the magazine only unless you manually attempt to do so by placing a round in the chamber and then try to pick one up from the magazine as well when pushing the bolt home.

Perhaps the double-feed in question was this exact issue?

Also, kid in the first video appears to be using live ammo. Ugh....

Raiderjack23 · Aug 19, 2020

Can’t comment on why it is their policy or if it is justified. But I know it has been posted at the facility and website since at least January 2019 when I was shooting there frequently.

https://www.carrollcountymd.gov/media/2583/2019-hap-baker-brochure.pdf

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