School sent police on welfare check because of meeting video

sparecaster · Jun 11, 2020

Bob A said:
If this turns into a big lawsuit issue, I'd be willing to contribute to a gofundme, or directly to the parents.

Despite all the "protectionism" built into the regulations, I view this as a massive over-reach.How many million children are being monitored, vs how many actual problematic situations might be prevented?

Thank you for being one of many who has offered to help out. We have retained counsel and will be deciding how to proceed shortly.

Decoy · Jun 12, 2020

National news!

School Calls Police over Presence of BB Gun in Home During Virtual Class

Doctor_M · Jun 12, 2020

Bob A said:
If this turns into a big lawsuit issue, I'd be willing to contribute to a gofundme, or directly to the parents.

Despite all the "protectionism" built into the regulations, I view this as a massive over-reach.How many million children are being monitored, vs how many actual problematic situations might be prevented?

Me as well.

fred2207 · Jun 12, 2020

BurtonRW said:
Agreed, but I happen to be associate general counsel for a very large public school system and having discussed this situation with a couple of my colleagues, none of us were of the opinion that this was a mandatory reporting situation. We all agreed that a call to the parent would have been a much more reasonable first step.

Whether anything was done that creates a legal cause of action for the victims here is another discussion entirely.

-Rob

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BS, there was no reasonable reason for the school to do anything--that includes calling the parents. You and your colleagues conclusion is just another liberal influenced response... :sad20:

fabsroman · Jun 12, 2020

I would have been pissed. Pissed at the situation and pissed at my wife or anybody else in my family that allowed law enforcement into my home without a warrant.

I know the officers were just doing their job. However, it my job and my wife's job to tell them that they are not allowed into our home without a warrant.

Too many parents are too worried about what is going on in other people's lives. They spend too much time sticking their nose where it does not belong, instead of focusing on what is going on with their own marriage and kids.

This reminds me of a conversation my wife had with a mutual friend of ours. Her daughter was in our son's class. My son was missing a soccer game at the end of September a couple years ago when I took him to hunter safety classes one weekend, hosted by two members on this board. Anyway, this lady asked my wife where our son was, and my wife told her. This lady replied, "Isn't your son too young for guns?" My wife replied, "Fabs has been hunting and shooting since he was a kid. I've seen him shoot. He knows what he is doing safety wise and I completely trust him to take [our son] hunting and shooting." Of course, my son had already been shooting before I even decided to take him to the hunter safety course.

OP, good luck to you. Steam would be coming out of my ears, but ever since my wife and I bought a place together, she has known that the police do not come into our house unless we are the ones that have called them or they have a warrant. I discuss this with my kids too once in a while over dinner.

Like you and your wife, I have nothing in my house to hide. However, I also believe in my rights and enjoying my residence free of unreasonable searches.

teratos · Jun 12, 2020

fabsroman said:
I would have been pissed. Pissed at the situation and pissed at my wife or anybody else in my family that allowed law enforcement into my home without a warrant.

I know the officers were just doing their job. However, it my job and my wife's job to tell them that they are not allowed into our home without a warrant.

Too many parents are too worried about what is going on in other people's lives. They spend too much time sticking their nose where it does not belong, instead of focusing on what is going on with their own marriage and kids.

This reminds me of a conversation my wife had with a mutual friend of ours. Her daughter was in our son's class. My son was missing a soccer game at the end of September a couple years ago when I took him to hunter safety classes one weekend, hosted by two members on this board. Anyway, this lady asked my wife where our son was, and my wife told her. This lady replied, "Isn't your son too young for guns?" My wife replied, "Fabs has been hunting and shooting since he was a kid. I've seen him shoot. He knows what he is doing safety wise and I completely trust him to take [our son] hunting and shooting." Of course, my son had already been shooting before I even decided to take him to the hunter safety course.

OP, good luck to you. Steam would be coming out of my ears, but ever since my wife and I bought a place together, she has known that the police do not come into our house unless we are the ones that have called them or they have a warrant. I discuss this with my kids too once in a while over dinner.

Like you and your wife, I have nothing in my house to hide. However, I also believe in my rights and enjoying my residence free of unreasonable searches.

My son posted a pic on his Instagram a few years back of him holding my AK-47 when it finally got built. The headmistress of his school called my wife with “concerns”. My wife said “we are a family of shooters. Everyone in the house is a safe, competent shooter. Do you really think our 12 year old is running around unsupervised with an AK-47?” The end.

RoadDawg · Jun 12, 2020

John from MD said:
Can she file suit claiming she was intimidated into a warrant less search of her house?

No..., She consented.

fred2207 said:
To each their own. No police have the right/authority to search your house for any reason, without a warrant or consent... If you or your wife gave search consent, you have nothing to complain about..

The complaint was not about the actions of the police.

Unless I’m reading it wrong...

The complaint was about the “Karen” school officials who called the police.

I believe that is where the complaint should be.

The ONLY ones who did wrong in all of this... were the nosy Karens who called the police because they saw the BB guns via the video connection. F them.

Afrikeber · Jun 12, 2020

I can understand the concern given the recent school shootings, this could have been handled discreetly via a phone call to the parents.

Thank God a no knock warrant or red flag was not issued.

MaxVO2 · Jun 12, 2020

Norton said:
Yeah, that sounds all well and good right until after the teacher overlooks it and the kid actually does something. You guys would hang the teacher out to dry in a heartbeat. Don't tell me otherwise.

****You are absolutely right. This is not exactly related, but a neighbors kid had his jeeps windshield shattered by someone in the school parking lot while he was in class and he told his teacher that he had a dash cam and had video evidence of who did it... So as to not get law enforcement or I guess higher ups involved the teacher (stupidly in hindsight) calls the rock throwers parents, and says their kid was throwing rocks in the parking lot and broke another students window,.. The parents flipped out and said their kid would *never* do that, ever, ever, ever. They set up some kind of a meeting with the parents, and the video of *their* kid clearly showing him throwing a rock through the window was presented.... You'd think the parents would just STFU and accept their kid is a delinquent, apologize for raising such a miscreant, and offer to pay for the window.... NOPE - they were *pissed* that their kid was being videotaped!!!! Insane.

So yea. You'd be hung out to dry, and probably have some kind of formal reprimand, mebbe lose your job, your reputation, and be a villain on cable TV for a while - with Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer, and the harridans at the View all Tsk Tsk'ing how such a horrid teacher could ever be hired in the first place - and demand teacher sensitivity training and reform for reporting rock throwers.... or even disciplining any kid, ever, for anything.

Trumpet · Jun 12, 2020

Norton said:
Yeah, that sounds all well and good right until after the teacher overlooks it and the kid actually does something. You guys would hang the teacher out to dry in a heartbeat. Don't tell me otherwise.

Yeah, when this whole "distance" thing started we were specifically told to "keep an eye out" for things. Conversely we were also warned to make sure WE don't have anthing in our "zoomscape" that could make students go "WTF?"

I'm not sure how they're getting the screenshot though. We were told that screenshots/recordings of class meets were verboten. That rule must vary by county.

Norton · Jun 13, 2020

Trumpet said:
Yeah, when this whole "distance" thing started we were specifically told to "keep an eye out" for things. Conversely we were also warned to make sure WE don't have anthing in our "zoomscape" that could make students go "WTF?"

I'm not sure how they're getting the screenshot though. We were told that screenshots/recordings of class meets were verboten. That rule must vary by county.

The level to which this mandatory reporter thing is like a lot of things well intentioned but now ridiculous.

I'm sick of having to make the call because a kid says in exasperation, "if I don't get an A on this test I'll just kill myself".

They don't mean it. I know they don't mean it.

Sundazes · Jun 13, 2020

RoadDawg said:
No..., She consented.

The complaint was not about the actions of the police.

Unless I’m reading it wrong...

The complaint was about the “Karen” school officials who called the police.

I believe that is where the complaint should be.

The ONLY ones who did wrong in all of this... were the nosy Karens who called the police because they saw the BB guns via the video connection. F them.

This RD.

Lalez · Jun 13, 2020

Again, Maryland is the most Communist state in the country, hands down. California and New York have nothing on Maryland when it comes to gun laws and lack of gun culture.

I would bet the farm that Maryland is the most legally unarmed citizenry in the lower 48 states thus you get stories like this where people flip out over wall ornament BB guns

MigraineMan · Jun 13, 2020

TTAG picked up the story. Shine more light on the cockroaches!

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/b...of-airgun-spotted-during-online-lesson-video/

cstone · Jun 13, 2020

It is possible to be polite and respectful while denying anyone, especially the government, entry to your residence.

Consider homeschooling. Your son is about to enter middle school where most things become more convoluted and in no way better.

I'm sorry you are going through this. I hope your son is not negatively impacted by the situation.

Be safe.

Sirex · Jun 20, 2020

The story was just on Fox 45 again this morning. It is like the second or thrid time I have seen it. Good for them not letting it be forgotten.

1time · Jun 20, 2020

cstone said:
It is possible to be polite and respectful while denying anyone, especially the government, entry to your residence.

Consider homeschooling. Your son is about to enter middle school where most things become more convoluted and in no way better.

I'm sorry you are going through this. I hope your son is not negatively impacted by the situation.

Be safe.

Sure it is. No thank you, I don’t give you consent to search, enter, etc. I’ve asked for consent numerous times in my career. A polite no wasn’t necessary but it was appreciated.

Shamr0ck · Aug 21, 2020

I'm starting to see this story make the rounds again and it's being seen by folks farther afield than MD (CO, GA, TN, IN, TX) and it made me curious what, if anything, ever happened with the complaints to the school (if you can share)...

I'm thankful for the virtual background feature in Zoom/WebEx as the feature saved me lots of effort - didn't have to sanitize the space

tomrkba · Aug 21, 2020

Lalez said:
Again, Maryland is the most Communist state in the country, hands down. California and New York have nothing on Maryland when it comes to gun laws and lack of gun culture.

I would bet the farm that Maryland is the most legally unarmed citizenry in the lower 48 states thus you get stories like this where people flip out over wall ornament BB guns

No that would be NYC.

Sirex · Aug 21, 2020

I saw it again on the Facebook pages, along with the Karens saying "if you see something, say something", and "if it could save one life, they're obligated" . But first off, from what I saw, at least one had an orange tip. Common sense would lead a normal person to assume Nerf/Airsoft/BB gun in a kids room. It's also basically an invasion of privacy, and presumption of guilt. My son has Nerf and airsoft guns, and this does worry me a bit. We keep his BB gun downstairs, but none of them are illegal. These knee jerk reactions are bullsh!t. The Karens on FB had me boiling earlier.

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