Carroll County Zoning Letter- Untagged Vehicles

Here is a tentative update I hope works without too much hassle. I initially felt my simplest and quickest solution short of tagging and insuring all my cars on my property was to purchase some 6 foot tall chain link fencing and visibility blocking fabric to line the insides of the fence around my cars. I also thought about a way to add a tubular frame to stretch fabric over it to essentially have a fabric roof over everything. As of yesterday, I may have found an additional item that may help considerably. I located a reasonably priced Quonset hut kit for sale by a private party in a neighboring state.

As usual when faced with spending money to appease the government or to fix a disaster, I usually search for the least costly fix to the problem and work my way around it. Anyhow, an ideal scenario short of being left alone, would be a giant pole building. So like now, if a quonset hut comes my way at a price about 50-75% off a new retail priced one, I feel I better do all I can to make it work. So begins the fact finding, the interest conveyed to the seller so it is not sold to another party, and then the homework to see if they can provide any specs, details, manufacturer etc, to actually get a permit and put the darn thing up if I do buy it.

Anyhow, I am trying to get my ducks lined up as far as a trailer, time to go get this, and of course cash to pay for it and all the details needed to erect it without the MAN hassling me any more about my cars, my trucks, my property.

Thanks everyone

Check for building codes (set backs, square footage allowances, height limits, etc.) prior to putting any time into your hut.


Just don't want you to run into a set of new problems.





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Boxcab said:

Check for building codes (set backs, square footage allowances, height limits, etc.) prior to putting any time into your hut.


Just don't want you to run into a set of new problems.





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Thanks Boxcab. Yeah, That was what I meant when I alluded to all the things I need to check into. Permit wise etc. " So begins the fact finding, the interest conveyed to the seller so it is not sold to another party, and then the homework to see if they can provide any specs, details, manufacturer etc, to actually get a permit and put the darn thing up if I do buy it."

In my case, the size is not gigantic or sky scraperish, 24x36 x 10. Placement, setbacks, and if they want engineering Specs BS, all the usual SH.

https://www.ziptiedomes.com/index.htm

These guys take PVC pipe, big boy zip ties, and some plastic sheeting to make domes. There are some other shapes in there. Or you buy their plans and make it yourself. Or take a close look at the planning tools, do the math, and make it yourself.

Not hard to anchor down, not hard or expensive to recover in a couple years, and a bucket of old paint to protect the PVC will make it last for decades. And it can be picked up and moved or outright disassembled for transport.

I can sympathize with what you are going through.

Different “problem” but, still gives one the idea. A couple of years ago I lucked out on a company needing to get rid of some fill dirt. They were filling in the low spots in a neighbor’s yard across the street. He had recently moved in and was improving the yard. They were just finishing when I spoke to them, they were out of room at his place.

The following week they brought in a loader to spread the material and were able to bring in around thirty loads a day. On Tuesday of week two a couple of the “county” inspectors showed up. They said they had a complaint about dirt on the public road. There wasn’t any, but that was the excuse for someone to call in a complaint. There is a new subdivision down the road from me that was built on a farm that was sold some years ago. The new inhabitants aren’t familiar with the country. The inspectors went to my neighbor first and gave him a lot of grief. Fined him, stop work order, you get the idea. Then they thought they could do the same with me.

When they asked me about what was going on you should have seen their expressions. In my most innocent voice, I told them that I had a low spot by my driveway and this company had extra material to get rid of and since we are zoned Z-A, I didn’t think there would be a problem. R-A is residential/agricultural. There are no limits on how much dirt one wants to move, provided it stays on the property. There are other nice things like not having to mow the lawn and can have as many untagged vehicles as one wants.

The “county” inspectors didn’t even know what the zoning was. They started back tracking and saying everything is fine, OK, sorry for bothering me. They ended up having to back track for my neighbor. Since he was new in the area, he didn’t know what he could do as far as land improvement.

We can also have what is known as a pole barn. That is a barn that is constructed of poles placed in the dirt without concrete. There is no limit to the size and there is no permit required. They can have electric power, water, you name it.

I don’t know the area you are in. Perhaps there are sections in the zoning code similar in your county.

Nope, In Carroll and I was pretty sure most of MD. It is supposedly 1 untagged vehicle permitted per property 0-5 acres and 2 are permitted if property is 5-20 acres otherwise they have to be in a structure like a barn or garage.

The reason for not requiring vehicles to have tags on properties zoned agriculture is the “truck” might only be used on the property. The same things for trailers, might be used for storage, not for highway use. There isn’t any purpose in tagging or insuring something that never goes on road. I have a couple of vehicles for just such purposes. Beats carrying tools or parts to the back forty.

Scrounger said:

The reason for not requiring vehicles to have tags on properties zoned agriculture is the “truck” might only be used on the property. The same things for trailers, might be used for storage, not for highway use. There isn’t any purpose in tagging or insuring something that never goes on road. I have a couple of vehicles for just such purposes. Beats carrying tools or parts to the back forty.

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Exactly, But try telling Former city folk relocating to the country who want Beverly Hills looking yards everywhere and will legislate their way to getting this by trampling on way of life of the lower class, farmer, auto mechanic, carpenter, regular Joe type. They don't stop till the regular Joe runs out of money or patience and gets fed up and leaves, or fights and gives a 1/2 a peace sign.

Some years ago, a certain Congress critter by the name of Steny Hoyer poached a bunch of jobs from Crystal City Va. and got them transferred to Pax River NAS. That is in St. Mary’s County for the uninitiated. One couple moved in from Northern Virginia during the winter. When spring rolled around, they called the police because someone was using a toxic chemical near them. The officer arrived and couldn’t figure out what they were talking about. They were complaining about the smell and the officer didn’t smell anything out of the ordinary. Finally, they “figured” it out. The house they bought is near the Amish. The Amish spread manure on the fields and when everything thawed out the natural aromas became prevalent. Those people had never smelled manure before. And yes, they wanted to know if the police could do anything to stop the Amish from making “that” smell. He told them they would have to learn to live with it or move.

Scrounger said:

Some years ago, a certain Congress critter by the name of Steny Hoyer poached a bunch of jobs from Crystal City Va. and got them transferred to Pax River NAS. That is in St. Mary’s County for the uninitiated. One couple moved in from Northern Virginia during the winter. When spring rolled around, they called the police because someone was using a toxic chemical near them. The officer arrived and couldn’t figure out what they were talking about. They were complaining about the smell and the officer didn’t smell anything out of the ordinary. Finally, they “figured” it out. The house they bought is near the Amish. The Amish spread manure on the fields and when everything thawed out the natural aromas became prevalent. Those people had never smelled manure before. And yes, they wanted to know if the police could do anything to stop the Amish from making “that” smell. He told them they would have to learn to live with it or move.

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I saw that coming Scrounger. I actually am quite used to and welcome Spring and when even the non Amish farmers spread the manure in our neighborhood. I like the smell of dead skunks too, LOL

Scrounger said:

Some years ago, a certain Congress critter by the name of Steny Hoyer poached a bunch of jobs from Crystal City Va. and got them transferred to Pax River NAS. That is in St. Mary’s County for the uninitiated. One couple moved in from Northern Virginia during the winter. When spring rolled around, they called the police because someone was using a toxic chemical near them. The officer arrived and couldn’t figure out what they were talking about. They were complaining about the smell and the officer didn’t smell anything out of the ordinary. Finally, they “figured” it out. The house they bought is near the Amish. The Amish spread manure on the fields and when everything thawed out the natural aromas became prevalent. Those people had never smelled manure before. And yes, they wanted to know if the police could do anything to stop the Amish from making “that” smell. He told them they would have to learn to live with it or move.

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I love when city libtard whiners get what they deserve

When I lived in Mobile Alabama there were 2 paper mills in town, Scott and IP. They were HUGE for the area. Hundreds of good high paying jobs plus all the jobs created for support companies, trucking companies, etc, etc. Paper mills have a unique smell, not much different than a sewage treatment plant. When the wind was right you could smell it miles away. Whenever some newcomer would wrinkle their nose and ask "what is that horrible smell?" The standard answer was "smells like money!"

When I lived in Hampstead years ago, if the weather was right, you could smell the paper mill in Spring Grove, PA.

KJackson said:

When I lived in Hampstead years ago, if the weather was right, you could smell the paper mill in Spring Grove, PA.

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Yup, In Manchester too,. and when I was in college in Westminster in the early 80's we could smell Gladfelters in Spring Grove on those days too.

chilipeppermaniac said:

Yup, In Manchester too,. and when I was in college in Westminster in the early 80's we could smell Gladfelters in Spring Grove on those days too.

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Every time I drive through there and see the "Dairy Bar" it amazes me at people who can eat ice cream while smelling the paper plant.

I flew through residual smoke from a papermill in Louisiana many years ago and was sick for the rest of the flight. That taught me the hell with flying a straight line, I went around from then on.

John from MD said:

I flew through residual smoke from a papermill in Louisiana many years ago and was sick for the rest of the flight. That taught me the hell with flying a straight line, I went around from then on.

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HAHA John. Good one.

KJackson said:

Every time I drive through there and see the "Dairy Bar" it amazes me at people who can eat ice cream while smelling the paper plant.

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My guess is they are immune.