Which 10mm

Squaregrouper · Mar 19, 2021

balttigger said:
A Tanfoglio Witness in 10mm is on my want list for the semi-near future, with a simple conversion to SA/DA afterwards.

I mentioned these in the other thread. I have never shot one, but they have a very dedicated, if not cult-like, following in the 10mm world.

Occam · Mar 19, 2021

squaregrouper said:
I mentioned these in the other thread. I have never shot one, but they have a very dedicated, if not cult-like, following in the 10mm world.

It's pretty much a CZ75 clone buffed/tuned-up for 10mm. I can see why that would have a passionate following. Dammit, now I'm curious. Though I bet that Witness is a lot more chunky to carry around the woods all day than a G20 or P80 variant.

callidus · Mar 19, 2021

Mdiesel said:
I want to add a 10mm to the collection.
I have a sa trp acp 45. Thinking of the trp in 10mm.
Any suggestions?

Have the TRP in 10mm. Great shooter, and it's been very reliable so far (100%, but only ~200 rounds through it). A little heavy, but weight definitely helps with the recoil and follow-up shots when you're shooting Underwood, or other full 10mm loads.

Edit: So far I've shot mostly federal and fiocchi, and a box of the Underwood ammo I use (Extreme Defender) if it's in a self/home defense role. All ran fine.

454shooter · Mar 22, 2021

That SA TRP in 10mm is on my wish list for sure...gorgeous gun.

trickg · Mar 22, 2021

454shooter said:
That SA TRP in 10mm is on my wish list for sure...gorgeous gun.

If you've got the $$$, I think Dan Wesson is the way to go. They really hit the sweet spot on price/quality IMO, and if you're Military or LEO/First Responder, they have a pretty attractive discount purchasing program. They specifically ask that prices not be posted, but I can tell you that it put my Dan Wesson flagship model - the Valor - within reach of what I was planning to pay for the Springfield - something like $150.

I now own two DW 1911s, and I'm hooked. No MIM parts, everything is tight, the slides are like butter, and the triggers break cleanly at right around 3-3.5 lbs. They've also eaten every single type of ammo I've thrown at them from 230 gr RN Ball, to reloaded 200 gr lead semi-wadcutters. Literally not one single hiccup yet out of either pistol.

Moonlighter · Mar 22, 2021

trickg said:
If you've got the $$$, I think Dan Wesson is the way to go. They really hit the sweet spot on price/quality IMO, and if you're Military or LEO/First Responder, they have a pretty attractive discount purchasing program. They specifically ask that prices not be posted, but I can tell you that it put my Dan Wesson flagship model - the Valor - within reach of what I was planning to pay for the Springfield - something like $150.

I now own two DW 1911s, and I'm hooked. No MIM parts, everything is tight, the slides are like butter, and the triggers break cleanly at right around 3-3.5 lbs. They've also eaten every single type of ammo I've thrown at them from 230 gr RN Ball, to reloaded 200 gr lead semi-wadcutters. Literally not one single hiccup yet out of either pistol.

Does prior military count or only active duty?

Me want....

trickg · Mar 22, 2021

Moonlighter said:
Does prior military count or only active duty?

Me want....

That I don't know offhand - it could be that a DD214 would do it. I'm currently in the NG, so I just did the basic thing with the ID card, and that was that.

Looking back through my email history, I don't think I ever actually asked if I qualified or not, or what the stipulations were - I think I just sent my email with my creds.

You could send them a note and inquire - the worst they could do is tell you no.

lesales@cz-usa.com

Mr.Blue · Mar 22, 2021

No other platform will give you the reliability, durability, recoil mitigation, and capacity as a G20. I’m not even a Glock guy, but the facts are the facts. Mine ate the hottest Underwood loads like they were candy.

trickg · Mar 22, 2021

Mr.Blue said:
No other platform will give you the reliability, durability, recoil mitigation, and capacity as a G20. I’m not even a Glock guy, but the facts are the facts.

Recoil mitigation? How about anything with a steel frame? Recoil is based in part on sheer physics - the harder the bullet is pushing on the way out means the harder it pushes back. When you have more weight, it takes more to push it.

Mr.Blue · Mar 22, 2021

trickg said:
Recoil mitigation? How about anything with a steel frame? Recoil is based in part on sheer physics - the harder the bullet is pushing on the way out means the harder it pushes back. When you have more weight, it takes more to push it.

The polymer absorbs the recoil by flexing. I’ve used a 1911 10mm and a G20 and the G20 felt like it tamed recoil better. The 10mm also beats up the 1911 platform. Many, like the Delta Elite have had problems through the years holding up to the 10mm, not the Glock. You know I’m a 1911 guy, but not for full power 10mm loads.

I hope that Silverback is serving you well.

babalou · Mar 22, 2021

haha

Mr.Blue said:
No other platform will give you the reliability, durability, recoil mitigation, and capacity as a G20. I’m not even a Glock guy, but the facts are the facts. Mine ate the hottest Underwood loads like they were candy.

Did not realize Glock made an Underwood Pez dispenser..

Not a bad thing...

I have a great friend here would built out a 10MM G20. Beautiful firearm and feels good in the hand.

Mr.Blue · Mar 22, 2021

babalou said:
Did not realize Glock made an Underwood Pez dispenser.. Not a bad thing...

Lol!

trickg · Mar 22, 2021

Mr.Blue said:
The polymer absorbs the recoil by flexing. I’ve used a 1911 10mm and a G20 and the G20 felt like it tamed recoil better. The 10mm also beats up the 1911 platform. Many, like the Delta Elite have had problems through the years holding up to the 10mm, not the Glock. You know I’m a 1911 guy, but not for full power 10mm loads.

I hope that Silverback is serving you well.

Ok - I can submit to that. I just hate to give Glock the nod for anything if I can help it! :lol2:

I have to admit though, even though I've never owned one, any time someone comes to me asking me what I think would be a good pistol would be to get, the very first thing I tell them is "Glock," and for a lot of very good reasons, the first two of which are reliability and simplicity.

The Silverback is awesome - sent you a PM.

Mdiesel · Mar 22, 2021

Thanks for the responses. I read and watched reviews on the ones posted. And others. I’m thinking 1911 as round capacity doesn’t matter

Thanks
Matt

Biggfoot44 · Mar 23, 2021

Even if you are lukewarm to Glocks generally , the G20 family is best platform for * Enthusiastic * 10mm loads , and overall durability .

Mr.Blue · Mar 23, 2021

Biggfoot44 said:
Even if you are lukewarm to Glocks generally , the G20 family is best platform for * Enthusiastic * 10mm loads , and overall durability .

And do some research on 1911 platform 10mm’s breaking. The Colt Delta Elite had a lot of problems.

Bullfrog · Mar 23, 2021

Occam said:
It's pretty much a CZ75 clone buffed/tuned-up for 10mm. I can see why that would have a passionate following. Dammit, now I'm curious. Though I bet that Witness is a lot more chunky to carry around the woods all day than a G20 or P80 variant.

CZ Custom does a 10mm version of the CZ 97 B, which is itself a bulked-up big brother of the CZ 75 B in .45 ACP.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/12/03/tfb-review-czc-97bd-10mm-pistol/

Seems like it would be pretty easy for CZ to do an official factory version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIK6cFPevmE

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Mar 23, 2021

Mr.Blue said:
And do some research on 1911 platform 10mm’s breaking. The Colt Delta Elite had a lot of problems.

The problem with Delta Elites occurred during the prototype testing...the slide lock lever hole developed cracks at the rails. The solution was to simply make vertical cuts and eliminate it as a hole...no more issues. That was corrected before production began but it would not be surprising if some early frames got out without the modification. The idea of it being a big problem is completely overblown. It was dealt with early and quickly.

Using the polymer recoil rod and dual recoil springs also helped in reducing any potential frame battering.

454shooter · Mar 23, 2021

I had an early Colt Delta Elite 10mm...back in the late 80's, very early 90's...as stated, the aft slide lock "hole" was machined as a "slot"...no cracks/breakage issues with the correct recoil spring. I wish I had not sold that gun now....

usa259 · Mar 23, 2021

I went with the EAA P-Match Pro 10mm, should have just done the P-Match, the double action trigger is hEAVy and long. Just carried in condition 1 anyways. Henning group makes mag extension bringing the mag capacity to 19.

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