VEPR FM-AK74-11 not MD legal according to MSP

JTH20 · Dec 28, 2017

TerminatorSVT said:
I was interested in purchasing the rifle and my FFL wasn't sure if it was legal to transfer, so I submitted a request to MDSP. What else was I supposed to do? Their reasoning is flawed because the parts are not interchangeable with an AK47. I am going to respond to them and let them know that.

Please don't...

rbird7282 · Dec 28, 2017

While I'm not familiar with the rifle the OP is talking about, there are rifles on the list that shouldn't be. MSP has said in the past that the list is not legally binding and that it's up to the individual FFL. To the OP, find a different FFL and stop asking the MSP questions.
Just my .02

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DC-W · Dec 28, 2017

rbird7282 said:
While I'm not familiar with the rifle the OP is talking about, there are rifles on the list that shouldn't be. MSP has said in the past that the list is not legally binding and that it's up to the individual FFL. To the OP, find a different FFL and stop asking the MSP questions.
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https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=183835&highlight=mr556

NateIU10 said:
We have begun receiving replies to some of our MPIA requests. Of first importance in this letter, MSP identifies that the MSP Firearms Search page is non-binding on dealers and consumers, it is simply guidance.

Lots more in that letter with more on the way.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rxu54uhgznwfpew/Siegel PIA request clarification.pdf?dl=0

I encourage everyone to read the pdf in that dropbox link.

danb · Dec 28, 2017

TerminatorSVT said:
I was interested in purchasing the rifle and my FFL wasn't sure if it was legal to transfer, so I submitted a request to MDSP. What else was I supposed to do? Their reasoning is flawed because the parts are not interchangeable with an AK47. I am going to respond to them and let them know that.

How exactly do you plan to PROVE the rifles are not interchangeable? Absent proof, your reponse is worth less than the paper its written on.

DC-W · Dec 28, 2017

The MSP originally banned the HK MR556, believing it to be a "copy" of the AR15.
Information was provided to them showing otherwise. They revised their view of it and have them listed as "not banned".

Threeband · Dec 28, 2017

DC-W said:
... They revised their view of it and have them listed as "not banned".

So when are they going to un-ban HBARs that happen to be marked "Bushmaster," which sold cash and carry until 10/1/13?

Someone should ask them if a flintlock musket is banned.

Abacab · Dec 28, 2017

Lol find a different FFL instead of writing another letter that screws everyone.

TerminatorSVT said:
I was interested in purchasing the rifle and my FFL wasn't sure if it was legal to transfer, so I submitted a request to MDSP. What else was I supposed to do? Their reasoning is flawed because the parts are not interchangeable with an AK47. I am going to respond to them and let them know that.

rob-cubed · Dec 28, 2017

TLDR

Better to ask forgiveness than permission. At the very least, let a 2A proponent FFL to decide it for you.

TIL: You can't spell TL

R with a colon without triggering an ironic emoji.

clingy · Dec 28, 2017

Yes, new FFL was the correct answer.

DubTap21 · Dec 30, 2017

DC-W said:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=183835&highlight=mr556

I encourage everyone to read the pdf in that dropbox link.

+1

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bobthefisher · Dec 31, 2017

TerminatorSVT said:
I was interested in purchasing the rifle and my FFL wasn't sure if it was legal to transfer, so I submitted a request to MDSP. What else was I supposed to do? Their reasoning is flawed because the parts are not interchangeable with an AK47. I am going to respond to them and let them know that.

You need to STOP communicating with MDSP directly. You're hurting the community with your irresponsible inquiries.

Fester60 · Dec 31, 2017

I try to keep up with the MD madness as much as I can. This decision definitely sucks. ARs with 7.62x39 uppers on any pre or post law lower are still gtg right? I ty to make sure my rifles are MD compliant because I still have family in MD that I shoot with but it's hard to keep up with the insanity.

DC-W · Dec 31, 2017

bobthefisher said:
You need to STOP communicating with MDSP directly. You're hurting the community with your irresponsible inquiries.

It’s not fair to single out a member of the community like this for doing what others have successfully done in getting firearms recognized as not banned. Read the pdf from Nate a few posts up.

Edit: Also, take a look at MSP’s firearms search and you’ll see other guns that were reconsidered. Of course everyone should do as much due dilliegence before engaging and only pick a fight they know they can win, but freedom is freedom. We can’t prevent people from asking questions.

rtse4me · Dec 31, 2017

DC-W said:
It’s not fair to single out a member of the community like this for doing what others have successfully done in getting firearms recognized as not banned.

I kind of sympathize with the OP. FFLs don't seem to want to ask MSP probably not worth their time if someone is asking about a gun they are not selling. Not all of the firearms now recognized were submitted by FFLs.
But I understand what everyone is saying. What we need is a avenue to submit firearms that we want instead of "I am not sure"

swinokur · Dec 31, 2017

MSP admits their opinions don't necessarily make the gun banned. Your FFL should do that.

Vile Shadow · Dec 31, 2017

swinokur said:
MSP admits their opinions don't necessarily make the gun banned. Your FFL should do that.

I was just about to go there.

Duffy’s ain’t got no problem sellin’ C308s, fer example. THEY at least know the parts won’t swap out.

bobthefisher · Dec 31, 2017

DC-W said:
It’s not fair to single out a member of the community like this for doing what others have successfully done in getting firearms recognized as not banned. Read the pdf from Nate a few posts up.

Edit: Also, take a look at MSP’s firearms search and you’ll see other guns that were reconsidered. Of course everyone should do as much due dilliegence before engaging and only pick a fight they know they can win, but freedom is freedom. We can’t prevent people from asking questions.

One problem, the majority of the firearms that MSP initially considered "banned" were overturned by major FFL's in Maryland, not individuals. Specifically Engage and Duffy's, to name a couple. If an individual is going to interact with MSP directly concerning firearms legality matters, then they better have a lawyer and\or a stack of facts\research to support their claims. Otherwise DON'T DO IT!

Look... haphazardly asking MSP about firearm legality has never ended well. That being said, I'm all for a strategic effort in questioning anything MSP portrays as "banned" or illegal under the current statute.

My point; to be clear, concise, and damn near perfect when arguing whether a particular firearm is legal in MD, and have the facts to back it up from the beginning.

This is the unfortunate reality we live in.

JTH20 · Jan 1, 2018

bobthefisher said:
One problem, the majority of the firearms that MSP initially considered "banned" were overturned by major FFL's in Maryland, not individuals. Specifically Engage and Duffy's, to name a couple. If an individual is going to interact with MSP directly concerning firearms legality matters, then they better have a lawyer and\or a stack of facts\research to support their claims. Otherwise DON'T DO IT!

Look... haphazardly asking MSP about firearm legality has never ended well. That being said, I'm all for a strategic effort in questioning anything MSP portrays as "banned" or illegal under the current statute.

My point; to be clear, concise, and damn near perfect when arguing whether a particular firearm is legal in MD, and have the facts to back it up from the beginning.

This is the unfortunate reality we live in.

Agreed, leave it to the guys that know the process.

j_h_smith · Jan 1, 2018

Who was the FFL who started all of this? I'd like to know why he thought the rifle was banned when they've been sold all over the state.

Who was the FFL?

honda53s · Jan 1, 2018

This is so upsetting.

VEPR FM-AK74-11 not MD legal according to MSP

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